Hi stephen,
given that you've reinstalled audacity, I doubt it's a problem with
audacity itself.
One possibility is that the Jaws script has not been completely uninstalled.
If a script is installed, it is easy to disable it, as follows:
1. Press Jaws Key + J to make the Jaws window the focus.
2. Open the Options menu, and choose manage applications settings. A
dialog opens.
3. In the list box, if there is an Audacity item and it is checked, then
uncheck it.
4. Press Enter to press the default OK button.
If there's still a problem, you could try using the narrator screen reader
with Audacity to check whether it is still a Jaws problem. You can start
and stop narrator by pressing windows key + ctrl + Enter. Audacity works
well with narrator.
David.
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 at 17:49, stephen <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello David and anyone willing to listen,
Well things have gone from bad to worse. This time when I un-installed
the scripts the problem persisted unlike before when they went away.
After re-booting several times I decided to un-install Audacity completely
and re-install it. I was told by Jaws that some items had to be
un-installed manually. I did a re-boot in between and then re-installed
Audacity. I checked reset preferences in case I had changed something
accidentally. During the re-install I was told that x86 Audacity already
exists and did I want to install there and I replied yes. After all was
said and done and adding full keyboard in Preferences the problem is still
there. It’s as if the arrow keys have gone completely haywire. In any
direction throughout the program I get the, there are no tracks in the
project message. In the toolbar with the meters and the device selections
for choices where I would have to arrow up and down to change the selection
such as Audio Host the arrow button gives me the tracks message. I found
that holding Control down with the up or down arrow allowed me to make the
selection. So I tried playing the track to see if Control right or left
arrow would move me through it but no such luck, in fact it just silenced
the track. Another strange thing is at times ALT will only open the
Systems Menu. I’m sorry I ever tried these scripts and wonder if I’ll ever
get back to where I was before. All suggestions are Welcome.
Steve
*From:* audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *David Engebretson Jr.
*Sent:* Friday, July 3, 2020 11:20 PM
*To:* audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [audacity4blind] Re: Jaws Scripts Problems
I always have lots of questions to try and debug. There’s usually not much
magical about computers. **smile** Just trying until something works.
Sorry you are having the trouble! Would be great to figure it out so, when
other people experience your symptoms, we’ll know where to point them.
Peace,
David
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*Subject:* [audacity4blind] Re: Jaws Scripts Problems
When I hit Home, either bracket and Shift+Space I get the dreaded message
for them all, just like with the arrow keys. Basically all I can do is
play and pause and can only export through the menu. I get the same
message with control+shift E. I’m off for the night. I won’t un-install
until tomorrow in case some magic solution may come in overnight. Take
care.
Steve
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mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *David Engebretson
Jr.
*Sent:* Friday, July 3, 2020 10:47 PM
*To:* audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [audacity4blind] Re: Jaws Scripts Problems
Try this:
1. Import a track
2. Press “home” to go to the beginning of the audio
3. Press enter to select the track
4. Press space to start playback
5. Press left brace and then a few seconds later press right brace
(this will select the left and right edge of a segment of audio
6. Press space to stop
7. Press shift+space to start a loop playback. Does it play the part
of the track you selected?
This should work with or without the scripts loaded. BTW, you can disabled
the Audacity scripts without uninstalling them. Happy to walk you through
that, too, assuming you are interested.
Bestest,
David
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*Sent:* Friday, July 03, 2020 7:39 PM
*To:* audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [audacity4blind] Re: Jaws Scripts Problems
Here we go. I compiled successfully and there was no change. I’m current
with Windows 10 since they don’t give us a choice. I believe I’m working
with 64 bit. An example of my editing would be after recording a track or
importing one and I want to take off some space in the beginning I’ll start
the trackck. I’ll hit space to start play and use the right and left arrow
keys to go back and forth until I’m happy where I am and hit P to pause.
When doing this after installing the scripts every time I hit an arrow key
I get the message that there is no track in the project and they don’t move
the cursor. . I get no response with the J and K keys and I cant make any
selections to delete what I want. So, that’s where I’m at now. I’ll sleep
on it tonight and see what you or anyone else can come up with. I’ve been
working without the scripts for three years now so if we can’t solve this
it won’t be the end of the world. I do really appreciate all the help from
this list.
Steve
*From:* audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *David Engebretson
Jr.
*Sent:* Friday, July 3, 2020 10:11 PM
*To:* audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [audacity4blind] Re: Jaws Scripts Problems
Yah, I think so. Someone, earlier in the thread, mentioned that you might
want to try re-compiling the scripts.
To do this:
1. Open Audacity
2. Press JAWSKey+f2, then ‘s’ until you hear “script manager” then
press enter
3. Arrow down a little and you should hear the contents of the
audacity.jss file
1. Might be worth arrowing down until you hear the version number
and make sure it’s the latest (Const CS_SCRIPT_VERSION =
"2.2.2-beta-2020-06-21")
4. Either way, to compile the scripts, press control+’s’, you’ll hear
JAWS compiled successfully – or not. Either way it will be a clue.
5. Now alt+tab back to Audacity and see if things work like you expect
1. I’d enjoy hearing what you do to edit normally. Maybe the scriptset
is blocking your work-flow?
1. Another good thing to check is your screen resolution. Know how to
do that? If not, I’m happy to guide you.
You are using the latest Windows 10, right? Is your system 32 or 64 bit?
Anyhoo, I’ll quit pestering you about this if you aren’t interested in
debugging it.
Bestest,
David
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*To:* audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [audacity4blind] Re: Jaws Scripts Problems
Not sure what you mean by that. I ran the installer, hit the finish
button. Then launched Audicity. Am I missing something here?
Steve
*From:* audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *David Engebretson
Jr.
*Sent:* Friday, July 3, 2020 9:46 PM
*To:* audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [audacity4blind] Re: Jaws Scripts Problems
But, before you do that, did you launch the script manager and recompile?
Thanks!
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*To:* audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [audacity4blind] Re: Jaws Scripts Problems
Okay David, I just ranthe the installer again. I did not have Audacity
open when I ran it. The version is 222beta20200621. I installed the full
version. I was not asked about Jaws since there is only one version on the
PC. I confirmed that I’m working with the full keyboard. I imported a
file after the installation and have the same issue. Everything I do tells
me that there are no tracks in the project. Really weird. Off to
un-install again.
Steve
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mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Redacted sender
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*Sent:* Friday, July 3, 2020 9:16 PM
*To:* audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [audacity4blind] Re: Jaws Scripts Problems
Hi David, When installing the scripts I just went as straightforward as I
could, not getting fancy on anything. Yes, I have full keyboard enabled.
As far as toolbars are concerned all I’ve worked with are autio host,
recording device and playback device. I’ll try to install them again and
see what happens since it’s easy enough to un-install them. More to follow.
Steve
*From:* audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *David Engebretson
Jr.
*Sent:* Friday, July 3, 2020 9:05 PM
*To:* audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [audacity4blind] Re: Jaws Scripts Problems
Curious about a couple of things:
1. Did you do a “full” version of the JAWS scripts for Audacity
install?
2. Did you select anything in the install other than the defaults?
3. Did you make sure and replace all files when prompted?
I ask because I have had troubles with the installer not compiling if I
choose options other than the defaults during the Audacity scripts
installation.
Also, do you have the full set of keyboard shortcuts enabled in Audacity?
To do this you can:
1. Go to Preferences (control+’p’)
2. Navigate to Keyboard, tab to the defaults button under key bindings
and press enter
3. Arrow to Full and press enter
4. Tab to the OK button and press enter to close Preferences
One last thing: Have you made any changes to your Toolbars in Audacity?
1. Under View->Toolbars is an option to reset your toolbars – you
could try that.
2. Also, directly below the Toolbars sub-menu is a checkbox that says
“Show Extra Menus” press enter on that to show some extra functionality in
the menu system.
Hoping to work this out for you… the scripts do make some things quicker
while using JAWS. I bet you’ll enjoy them!
Bestest,
David
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audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *On Behalf Of *Redacted sender
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*Sent:* Friday, July 03, 2020 5:37 PM
*To:* audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [audacity4blind] Re: Jaws Scripts Problems
Hi David,
I’m using audacity 2.4.2 installed by the installer. I installed the
scripts from the link from your post on Tuesday. Jaws 2020 is the only
version of Jaws on this computer. I un-installed the scripts and all is
good now. The main things on the scripts that interested me was the level
checking with g. So, not a big deal. Now if I can just find a way for a
blind guy to navigate Spotify Premium I’d be a happy camper. Any
suggestions anyone? Take care and again, thanks for the help.
Steve.
*From:* audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *David Engebretson
Jr.
*Sent:* Friday, July 3, 2020 4:53 PM
*To:* audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [audacity4blind] Re: Jaws Scripts Problems
Are you using the zip or installer version of Audacity 2.4.2?
Are you sure you installed the scripts on the version of JAWS you always
use?
Just a couple of debugging questions…
Best,
David
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audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *On Behalf Of *stephen (Redacted
sender "sgsmg49" for DMARC)
*Sent:* Friday, July 03, 2020 7:54 AM
*To:* audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [audacity4blind] Re: Jaws Scripts Problems
Here’s a follow up to my problem. I removed my USB interface and have
returned sound settings and Jaws back to there original defaults. I’ve
imported both a professionally recorded file and one I recorded myself and
there is no difference in the behavior. I can’t do any editing shortcuts
and whatever I do with the arrow keys all I get is the message, There are
no tracks in the project. I’ve un-selected and Re-selected the track using
Enter, I’ve used Control-A and I’ve tried K-J, which Jaws doesn’t
verbalize and all I get is, There are no tracks in the project. The track
will play with the space bar and will pause but will not respond to the
arrow keys, just that dreaded message keeps coming back. I can export
through the File menu without issue. This all began with the installation
of the scripts. Will someone please instruct me how to remove them. I’ll
be happy to be back where I was before. Thanks.
Steve
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mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *stephen (Redacted
sender "sgsmg49" for DMARC)
*Sent:* Friday, July 3, 2020 8:06 AM
*To:* audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [audacity4blind] Re: Jaws Scripts Problems
David,
Yes, yes and yes. The scripts are from the post you put out this week
and Jaws 2020 is the only version I have on this unit. It’s very strange.
This happens with the internet recording. I want to import a file and see
if I get the same reaction. I’ll post what I find. Anyway I’’m not
opposed to just removing the scripts if I could get instructions on how to
do so. Thanks for any advice.
Steve
*From:* audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *David Engebretson
Jr.
*Sent:* Thursday, July 2, 2020 10:43 PM
*To:* audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [audacity4blind] Re: Jaws Scripts Problems
What version of Audacity are you using? You said “latest”, did you mean
2.4.2?
What version of the scripts are you running? You said “latest”, does this
mean Jaws-Script-for-Audacity_2_2_2-beta-2020-06-21?
Also, when you installed the “latest” scripts, are you certain you
installed them into JAWS 2020? The installer dialog gives you the
opportunity to install the scripts to any previous versions of JAWS that
you might have installed on your machine.
Just checking…
David
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"sgsmg49" for DMARC
*Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2020 7:33 PM
*To:* audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [audacity4blind] Jaws Scripts Problems
Hello,
I installed the latest Jaws scripts to the latest version of Audacity and
am having nothing but problems since. When I try to do anything to a
project such as trim space from the beginning or even fast forward with the
arrow keys I get a message that there is no track in the project. I get
the same message when trying to export using control space E. I can export
through the file menue but I can’t do any editing to the recording. How
can I go about un-installing the scripts. Or am I missing something here?
I’m running Windows 10 and Jaws 2020. Thanks.
Steve
