HI Rik, Generally, tables of contents do not need to be tables, and actually work better as text, with each chapter and page number on a line together. However, there are times when tables are clearer than converting to text. Unfortunately, I don't know exactly what you are asking. So, as a general rule, if the information in the table is clearly understandable as such, leave it alone. If not, I'd convert the table to text and try to make it as sensible as possible. I know that probably doesn't answer your question well, but that's the best I can do. As for creating tables properly, I can't remember the proper settings in K1000 to make sure this happens, but know that the user's manual will tell you. I had to read it myself last time that I had to process a table. Sorry I haven't been more helpful. Mayrie _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rik James Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:30 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question on tables I have not read the most recently updated volunteer's manual, so my apologies if this is covered in there. But I wonder if someone on the list can say something about scanning a book with tables. I know that some programs like my version 11 of Kurzweil K-1000 does recognize tables and does what it does with them. But I have not taken the time yet to know exactly how to deal with them. As one quick example, I know that frequently k-1000 recognizes a page with the table of contents as a table and will put the page numbers for each chapter title like at the end of the text. And I usually go through the work and just move each successive page number to its corresponding chapter. Of course there is possibility of an error here, so I rather dislike having to do this. So if anyone has knowledge of a setting or what you do when you encounter a page with tables when you are scanning, I would enjoy reading and learning from you about it. Thanks. Rik From: Deborah Murray <mailto:murray.deborah@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:29 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question on tables Hi Bob, Since this was my book, I'll add a bit more to this. I took another look at the rtf file I submitted. The table was already mangled before I sent it in, I just didn't realize it. So it seems the problem occurred when the file was converted from kes to rtf and I don't know why. It hasn't ever happened that I am aware of to any of the other books I've scanned. Deborah _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:18 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question on tables You've got it Mayrie. I want to know why the table was in tact when the submitter sent it in, and was badly mauled when I got it. Bob "A bank is a place where they lend you an umbrella in fair weather and ask for it back when it begins to rain." ----- Original Message ----- From: Mayrie <mailto:mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> ReNae To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:21 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question on tables Hi Bob, I'm sorry. I don't understand the question you're asking. Are you asking why the submitter said the table was fine, but you encountered something that didn't seem fine, and want to know how it got messed up? Mayrie _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:07 PM To: bookshare volunteer discussion Subject: [bksvol-discuss] A question on tables Hi. I recently proofread " HOWARD DEAN'S PRESCRIPTION FOR HEALTHCARE REFORM How We Can Achieve Affordable Medical Care for Every American and Make Our Jobs Safer". In one place there was a table of figures. In the file I downloaded the table spanned two pages which was awkward to read and through off the pagination. When I wrote the person who scanned the book she told me the table was fine when she sent the book in. My question is, when dealing with tables, what can be done to preserve the integrity of the table? Thanks. Bob "A bank is a place where they lend you an umbrella in fair weather and ask for it back when it begins to rain."