Very good point Mary. And I suggest that a submitter should ensure that they have provided a complete text prior to submitting. Yesterday I scanned a new book and when performing a page integrity check, I realized that pages did not match. From the text it was not obvious what was going on, until I realized that the OCR was dropping pages. So I fixed it. I consider it a matter of personal pride to submit books that do not have holes in them, and quite frankly, I am a believer in egoless work. If my materials have problems, please feel free to let me know, whether or not the book has already been published. I am a big boy and constructive criticism will only help me provide the best possible quality for our customers, for whom we ultimately work. I trust that you and I share such pragmatic view of the world. I'd be delighted to work with the submitter on the integrity check for this book. Dave, if you are there, send me a note. Guido Guido D. Corona IBM Accessibility Center, Austin Tx. IBM Research, Phone: (512) 838-9735 Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx Visit my weekly Accessibility WebLog at: http://www-3.ibm.com/able/weblog/corona_weblog.html "Mary Otten" <maryotten@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 06/14/2004 01:56 PM Please respond to bksvol-discuss To "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject [bksvol-discuss] Re: Killers Wake by Bernard Cornwell -- Sorry, had to nuke it Well, what I have learned from this discussion is that I will validate my own stuff from now on. I am not going to leave blank pages and pages with only images in books, and I'm not going to have somebody come along and decide that excellent quality text that I submit is messed up because they see issues with page numbering discrepancies. Its irritating to have blank pages in books. I can see it for reference materials with an index, but not for your everyday average novel. I didn't submit this particular book. But if I did, and I found out that it got zapped because I had left out blank pages, I wouldn't be particularly happy. And what do you do with books whose page numbers get scrambled by the ocr? I just had one like that. I have no idea why, but the page numbers were quite often messed up. Do you honestly think its worthwhile for somebody to spend a bunch of time fixing up page numbers in a novel that nobody's going to read for reference when they could be spending that same amount of time fixing actual text errors in some other book or scanning another book? It would be nice if wew could release with comments, because that way, you could have put that back into the pool with a comment that you found page number problems but didn't check for actual text continuity. It just seems to me that too much can go wrong with page numbers, and people can and will leave blanks and images out. So nuking for page numbering discontinuity will inevitibly result in good texts wasted and volunteers being less than thrilled because perfectly good texts that they spent time on have been zapped due to an over reliance on an error-prone method for validation. Mary