[bksvol-discuss] Re: My novel is finished!!!!
- From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 18:53:12 -0700 (PDT)
I wonder what you'd call The Speckled Monster. It's certainly nonfiction, but
it reads like a novel. But I guess that's just the way the author can make
history interesting to read.
G.Cindy
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--- On Fri, 6/6/08, Chris Hofstader <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Chris Hofstader <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: My novel is finished!!!!
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 5:36 AM
> I beg to differ. "In Cold Blood," "The
> Executioners Song," "Hell's Angels"
> and Joan Didion's "Salvador" are all usually
> considered non-fiction and
> sometimes even journalism.
>
>
>
> The difference between "historical fiction" and
> either the new journalism,
> creative non-fiction or non-fiction novel is poorly
> defined in the
> intellectual community. Post-modernists like
> "non-fiction novel" as it
> explains how facts mixed with fiction can deliver a greater
> truth.
> Traditionalists prefer "historical novel" or
> something similar as they, like
> you, do not accept the migration of the word
> "novel" to a different
> definition. Saul Bellow, another of the greats who died
> relatively
> recently, argued for creative non-fiction and promoted it
> in the relatively
> new journal he started at Boston University about a decade
> ago.
>
>
>
> Oddly, all of the heroes of the form, whatever you call it,
> actually
> preferred "new journalists" or, in Thompson's
> case, "gonzo journalist" as
> none of them were terribly enamored with any of the labels
> that emerged from
> the prosodic aspects of their work.
>
>
>
> The real controversies come when one tries to debate where
> Alan Ginsberg's
> and the works of other poets of the latter half of the
> twentieth century
> poetry fall on the fiction/non-fiction scale. While they
> contain many deep
> internal truths they tent to only be described as poetry
> with no adjective
> attached as poets can't be bothered with such debates
> over criticism.
>
>
>
> Have fun,
>
> cdh
>
>
>
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Amy Goldring
> Tajalli
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:59 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: My novel is finished!!!!
>
>
>
> Chris,
>
> Forgive me for being a strickler [stickler + strict] -
> based on your
> premise, the fact that Lewis Carroll can combine words like
> this means that
> I should also be able to do so. If you look up any of the
> books you sited in
> your local library's card catalog, or check their
> category in the Library
> of Congress, I feel certain that they will be categorized
> as fiction; not
> history or non-fiction.
>
> If you want to see musical drama based completely on
> history, I refer you to
> 1776 which has a source for every word in the play though
> they are not
> shown in the footnotes. I take the authors' word for it
> that they found each
> and every statement in historical texts though not
> necessarily in the exact
> context but in contexts with the same meaning.
>
> Every word in Andrew Lloyd Webber's Cats is taken from
> published poetry or
> letters or, in a few unpubl ished letters or texts of T.S.
> Eliot which is
> why there is usually no lyricist listed other than Eliot.
> Even Webber did
> not have the audacity to put his name as lyricist or
> attempt to imitate the
> master of such brilliant poetry.
>
> Whatever Hunter and Keroac and others call their work, it
> is still
> classified as fiction, just as Gabriel Garcia Maquez's
> "magical realism" of
> Love in the Time of Cholera and 1000 Years of Solitude are
> novels. The
> authors are describing their intentions and style, not an
> objective
> classification of what they succeeded in writing. I know I
> sound pedantic
> and I am probably being so but we need to be able to
> classify books by some
> objective form so readers can find what they are looking
> for and what they
> are reading. Even Sozhentsyn called his One Day in the
> Life of Ivan
> Denysovitch a novel even though it was based on autobio
> graphi cal
> information. Whenever you change from absolutely factual
> material you cease
> to be writing non-fiction or history. I can call my cat a
> dog but that does
> not change him into a dog.
>
> Amy
>
> ----------- Original message from "Chris
> Hofstader" <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> --------------
>
>
>
>
>
> The non-fiction novel was sort of invented by Jack Kerouac
> in "On the Road"
> where he mingled factual experiences that he and his gang
> had enjoyed while
> mixing in purely fictional events, characters and scenes
> that never really
> happened. This sort of blend, in a post-modernist way,
> allowed truth to
> emerge from beyond the facts. For reasons that are well
> documented,
> Kerouac's career as a writer was cut short and he
> published very little of
> merit after his single masterpiece.
>
>
>
> Hunter Thompson, back in the fifties, started experimenting
> with the form
> and is thought of as the father of the movement. With his
> "Hell's Angels"
> he inserted himself into what had been intended to be a
> journalistic work,
> breaking the rules of journalism by removing objectivity
> altogether. His
> "Fear and loathing in Las Vegas took the form even
> further and put truth
> well ahead of facts or reality.
>
>
>
> Authors who soon followed and were highly informed by
> Thompson include Joan
> Didion, Truman Capote ("In Cold Blood" being an
> excellent example of the
> form), Norman Mailer who changed a lot in the sixties, Tom
> Wolfe, Dom
> DeLillo, Thomas Pynchon and lots of others.
>
>
>
> It's an interesting but dangerous form as one needs to
> be very careful with
> the balance of factual and fantasy and the writer needs to
> understand the
> limits of truth exposed outside of the facts.
>
>
>
> It's also a fun form as you can add dialogue and drug
> induced perceptions as
> if they were real but one needs to be careful that they
> remember that the
> character(s) that are based on themselves are, in at least
> some part, not
> really them or else an identity crisis will emerge.
>
>
>
> There's a pretty good and fairly recent book called
> "The New Journalism:
> Thompson, Capote, Didion and Wolfe" I can't recall
> the author's name but it
> explains this movement very well.
>
>
>
> cdh
>
>
>
>
>
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Amy Goldring
> Tajalli
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:43 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: My novel is finished!!!!
>
>
>
> Chris,
>
> Other than being an oxymoron, what is a non-fiction
> novel??? Using such a
> term to a writer named Hawthorne - Shame.
>
> Amy
> oms,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message from "Chris
> Hofstader" <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> --------------
>
>
>
>
>
> Congratulations!! I have about a half dozen non-fiction
> novels in various
> stages of incompletion and find it very difficult to focus
> and drive one
> home.
>
>
>
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Nan Hawthorne
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:41 PM
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> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] My novel is finished!!!!
>
>
>
> I will be uploading it to the publisher in the next few
> days.
>
> Let's see.. it just took me 27 months...
>
> I will keep you posted on when it is available. Probably
> late summer, will
> be on Amazon.
>
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