[bksvol-discuss] Re: New Guy would appreciate your thoughts ...
- From: mark hunt <guidedog4bookshare@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:40:36 -0700 (PDT)
'Liz, this point is moot - it doesn't sound as if, at least at this time, the
BookShare Volunteer Group is quite where I need to be. I've just withdrawn my
offer to volunteer (formally, in writing). In closing, tho', let me say that I
sure respect what you're - the group, that is - I sure respect what you folks
are doing! 30,000 titles, that's absolutely wonderful! Regards. Mark.
Elizabeth and Burton <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Whic titles did you submit?
E.
At 04:21 PM 10/2/2006, you wrote:
>Hummm. Didn't anticipate that, not at all. Wouldn't have guessed
>that. Useful to know (that). Pity ... and, without, I'd hope, without
>being rude, I don't really see the point. But who says that I need to see
>it? And thanks, very much, thanks for your opinion. Mark. PS: I sure
>respect what's been done at BookShare - imagine, some 30,000 books moved
>into the ears of the blind!. And this by volunteers: staggeringly impressive!
>
>Elizabeth and Burton wrote:
>Unless you have scanned the book, it will be rejected if you try to submit
>it. So if you submit, for example, books you purchased on cdrom, they will
>not be allowed on bookshare. Sorry. Just letting you know.
>
>E.
>At 02:09 PM 10/2/2006, you wrote:
>
> >Hi Grandma Cindy (and others), thanks!
> >
> >Altho' I've been working with computers since '69 (even-then-obsolete Air
> >Force pre-Star-War computer, filled an air-conditioned room), I've not the
> >experience that you folks have with high-end scanners.
> >
> >(Nor have I gone in the direction, the paths, that you folks have taken
> >... when I signed-on for BookShare, I skimmed over the three-page "agree
> >with each page" information provided: it was small print, and, well, LOTS
> >of people want me to read "the small print". I'm not interested in "small
> >print". I don't read "small print". *I now see* that you folks work with
> >copies that you've scanned in the "***here&now***" ... [clearly, ladies,
> >most lengthy text "has been scanned" at SOME point ...])
> >
> >I've owned/used several - all of them "single page" - and all of them with
> >only the supplied software (one of them DOS-based, from Europe, never did
> >work very well).
> >
> >AND my current scanner's several thousand miles away, just now. Well,
> >actually it's my fathers - and it's a Lexmark, if that matters. It OCR's
> >a single page at a time (factory-supplied software) ... in any event, it's
> >a long ways away from me, right now ...
> >
> >I'd brought with me, from my "home base" in Nebraska - I'm traveling
> >in/traveled to China - my collection of books. Books that I've
> >scanned/downloaded/obtained thru' CDROM's (public domain, these). Quite a
> >few titles ... and quite a few of'em titles that don't appear on
> >BookShare's shelves.
> >
> >AND I FIGURED that those less-sighted than I just might appreciate being
> >able to read'em ...
> >
> >'Course, I've made a deliberate attempt to remove all pagenumbers - I'm
> >describing novels, shorties, plays and poetry here - from the text. And
> >why not?
> >
> >AND such trivia "takes up room". I run a DOS system, mostly - I've only
> >had this XP system for a few weeks, 'till then, my "hottest" computer was
> >a 233 MMX. BUT UNDER DOS, one tries to save HD room, when one
> >can. There's not much "fluff", in DOS.
> >
> >*My impression is* (from reading the comments of you three ladies) that
> >I'll not be able to work with you.
> >
> >Sorry, but I don't want to purchase a scanner here ... the OS required
> >would need to be in Chinese ('cause the available OCR software would be in
> >Mandrin). AND, there's few books in English, here (smile).
> >
> >AS FOR VALIDATION, well, altho' I'm not quite sure, now, just what that
> >entails - I'd previously thought that it only meant "checking the
> >(C)opyright - but I'd clearly not be able to "check a source copy of this
> >or that material from the library". How could I "validate"?
> >
> >***I'll await comments from John Glass, of BookShare. It might be that
> >BookShare's opinion is that, really, "fair" text & author's name &
> >(C)opyright information is all that they really want.*** I'd sent a copy
> >of my first email to him ... I'll await his answer, and then I'll decide
> >whether or no I can continue with BookShare/BookShare's Volunteers.
> >
> >IF NO - and this appears likely - then that's OK. Altho' I'd know of
> >BookShare FOR YEARS, then time then "wasn't right", and, as now seems
> >likely, if it's "not right now either", well, I'm used to that.
> >
> >Pity.
> >
> >I'll await comment from John.
> >
> >Thanks for your time, your thoughts, ladies ...
> >
> >Mark.
> >
> >
> >
> >Cindy wrote:
> >Mark,
> >
> >Your efforts as a volunteer would be much appreicated.
> >
> >I'm assming, since you're talking about submitting,
> >that you intend to scan books. If you scan and save in
> >rtf, the page breaks should occur naturally, and the
> >page numbers should be retained if you press down on
> >the book at the binding and make sure that the scan of
> >the page includes the line with the page numbers. And
> >you don't have to worry about lines for title, author,
> >copyright etc as long as you scan the copyright and
> >title pages.
> >
> >After you scan and before you submit, you should go
> >through the book and be sure all the pages are there.
> >You can do this by using the page down key. It's too
> >easy, I've found,to lose one's attention when scanning
> >and either skip a page--perhaps two pages stuck
> >together, or we thought we'd done that page--or, on
> >the other hand, to re-scanpages we've already scanned.
> >
> >Also, before submitting, it's helpful if you can get
> >rid of garbage that shows up along the outside margin
> >of the book if it isn't held down firmly enough.
> >
> >The other things the validator will take care of.
> >
> >Grandma Cindy
> >--- mark hunt wrote:
> >
> > > Hi:
> > >
> > > My name is Mark. I'm a new BookShare volunteer:
> > > I'm here 'cause I really, really would like to help
> > > these readers/would-be-readers who're blind.
> > >
> > > Could use/would appreciate your thoughts.
> > >
> > > I've been reading your postings for a week now -
> > > reading about "blank pages", about "page numbers",
> > > about "I wouldn't read a fair book", about "copies
> > > of the (C)opyright page(s)", about scanning and
> > > fonts and descriptions of pictures and ...
> > >
> > > I'm new ... and I think that all that *I'd* want,
> > > were I blind, is - regards novels, that is - is "a
> > > good read". I'd not care about page numbers and
> > > blank pages and ... and I'm not trying to criticize
> > > the directions and the concerns of which I've
> > > recently read - rather, I'm writing that these
> > > concerns "just aren't concerns that I share".
> > >
> > > I'm interested in submitting short stories novels
> > > in the following "style" - and I'm asking you, here
> > > & now, if what I'm interested in doing is what
> > > all-of-you are interested in validating ...
> > >
> > > First page, first line - *Name of the Book"*
> > >
> > > First page, second line - (blank)
> > >
> > > First page, third line - *Name of the Author*
> > >
> > > First page, fourth line - (blank)
> > >
> > > First page, fifth line - *(C)opyright date*, plus
> > > *who owns/owned the (C)opyright*
> > >
> > > First page, sixth line - (blank)
> > >
> > > First page, SEVENTH line - *(Novel starts here
> > > ...)
> > >
> > > Last page, last line - (... Novel ends here)*
> > >
> > > I'd be submitting books that I've enjoyed as,
> > > well, as a teenager and young adult. Science
> > > Fiction, mostly - Van Vogt, Clemens, Simak - older
> > > stuff, mostly out-of-print.
> > >
> > > I don't think that this - call it "a style" - is
> > > likely to be accepted by you validators ... but
> > > perhaps I'm wrong, PERHAPS such a novel or story
> > > might be used "as is" (judging by the email that
> > > I've received, I think not ... but I *could* be
> > > wrong). OR, perhaps it could be accepted by you
> > > validators as a "fair book" (if I understand what a
> > > "fair book" is?). OR perhaps someone would like to
> > > take what I might submit, and then (saving
> > > themselves some work?) - and then add whatever ELSE
> > > they might feel to be appropriate. Polish it.
> > > Whatever. I don't care. I just want to help.
> > >
> > > Folks, I just don't know. I'm new here. And I've
> > > asked for thoughts - I asked for thoughts when I
> > > submitted a couple of books, and I asked for
> > > thoughts last week (in an email sent to this
> > > discussion group), and I'm asking now.
> > >
> > > See, I'd known of BookShare for YEARS ... and it
> > > had always seemed to be an exciting way to help
> > > people! I'm a nurse officer, now retired, but *I
> > > still like to "be involved"*, and, well, if there's
> > > room for me and my work, then *that'd be great*.
> > >
> > > And if not, that'll be OK, too. I'll find
> > > something else to do with my optional time ...
> > >
> > > Let me know what you think, please. I've got text
> > > that could be submitted. AND I'll submit it in
> > > Micro$oft's .RTF (or is it .RFT?) - ug! - format.
> > > But I'll not bother if it won't meet the needs of
> > > BookShare (as validated by you volunteers).
> > >
> > > Send me a private email, if you feel that to be
> > > appropriate.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your time.
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > >
> > > Mark.
> > >
> > >
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