Not true, Amy. Italics display just fine in K1000, as does Bold.
Underlining displays as well, but you generally have to switch from
the default color combination (white on black doesn't work well when
the underlines tend to be black!). K1000 also displays font name and
font size changes - OpenBook doesn't.
Stephen
Dear Evan,
I finally found a solution but am aftraid it will be undone when it goes to whomever gets it for either final [?] validation or acceptance as it is not something I remember seeig in bookshare editions but it is why I am doin it. I am putting 5 spaces at the beginning of each paragraph as I was forewarned that the final program does not recognize tabs. I t seems to me that bookshare assumes that the reader is blind or with minimum sight but many of us have sight but not good enough to read small print. For us, visual cuues such as pragraphs indentations are more than just helpful, especially when combined with a rapid (for me at least) reader. I assume or hope that the italics which are visible in OpenBook and rtf but not in K1000. They are visual clues which are not acknowledged by the reader but are significant and represent information of which the blind reader is deprived as he is of the beginning of quotation and brackets which makes no sense to me.
The question of indentations and line spacing is particularly important in poetry and even a poetry teacher cannot always tell where the lines end in the way they are printed by bookshare and to srudy modern poetry you reallly need to know the way it is supposed to be printed. That is why I am also validating Kipling but as I have that functioning in wordpad I need to finish the book I have in openbook while I still have it. There are still 20 days so I will have to stop paying attention to my mail or exit the list until I finish or I will have thousands of bookshare letters waiting when I finish. But if I am totally wasting my time and all my work is going to be undone please tell me now but either write me at agoildring@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or call me at 305-326-1354 at any time day or night. Meanwhile, I will be getting rid of the mail from bksvol-discuss and going back and forth to openbook.
Amy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 3:35 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Stephen King
Unfortunately, you went from a superior product, K1000, to an inferior one, OpenBook, in my humble opinion. This blank line problem I have noticed whenever I converted a book from OpenBooks ark, native file format, to rtf format. I was unaware that it did the blank line adding thing when going the other way, but it doesn't surprise me at all. Since most books do not have blank lines between paragraphs in general, my practice when using OpenBook was to eliminate all the blank lines by searching for double hard returns and replacing them with single hard returns. Of course, since I was reading the book anyway, I was able to add in those relatively much fewer blank lines where they needed to be while reading along. However, I did all my word processing in Word or WordPad, and so I cannot help you do this in OpenBook. I never considered editing documents in it, nor would I now even if mine were working. Someone here is bound to know how to do it, though, I am sure.
You cannot do operator-defined page numbers in OpenBook. I am not sure I understand what the page numbering problem is that you are having, other than that they start from the beginning of the book in OB, and you cannot tell it where you want to start.
It is doubtful that anyone on any mailing list reads all of the messages that come down the cable; and the more lists people are on, the smaller the fraction of messages per list they have time to read. I would venture to say that anyone who has been on a mailing list with as much traffic as this one, and maybe a few others besides for very long, makes friends with the delete key. It is either that or be overwhelmed. No one is, or should feel, obligated to read all of, or even a majority of, the messages on any list, especially if it has as much traffic as this one.
I did not know that books strewn with blank lines was common among Bookshare books, because I download the brf versions which have nary a blank line, even where there should be one. As I said, blank lines between every paragraph is not standard in the books I have read, although they can appear occasionally to indicate a change of subject, or for other reasons.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Goldring Tajalli" <agoldringtajalli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 10:42 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Stephen King
Dear Lissi,
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I finally have Genji in Openbook and will finish it if it kills me while I still have OpenBook. I still have one problem with it which the powers that be - Evan? Jake ? I don't have a scorecard so that other than JBrownell I don't know who is whom and is there an hierarchy. I find many of the problems I thought I had are gone but also gone are such things as page numers that match the original. Kurzweill made it possible in that I could choose which page I wanted as page one and all the previous pages were "preliminary page #". Having done that, then I kept the blank pages so that the numbers matched the page numbers on the book pages. Now all that is gone and instead of having a book with 1236 pp more or less I have a book with weird numering totalling over 2000 pages and instead of paragraphs being indented they are separate by a blank line which is, I dare assume, the reason for the length. Now that fits with the books I have downloaded from Bookshare and if that is what is preferred I won't try to change it but the length alone may be intimidating even to someone who is not scared off by 1200 pp. Whatever is preferred I will do just let me know. After the next 22 days I will have to use either wordperfect - the 5.1 or one other of the choices or wordpad to validate but I won't quit just because I scan or have to really learn one of those programs which have been scaring the H. out of me. If so, I will happily take advice in my choice as long as the advisor can think simple. My rule of thumb is kis,. It will help if I can find and use some voice. I tried to download Daisy and VRS again but there seems to be a problem but I am not going to fuss with it now. I am going back to Genji and, if there is time, Kipling.
To do this I am going to have to ignore much of my mail. I don't know how any of you get anything done with all the mail on that list. If you really want to get my attention, mail me at agoldringtajalli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Much of the bkvol-dcuss mail I can only look at the subject and if it is not specifically for me or on a topic related to what I am doing I will have to delete it unread if I am to take advantage of openbook. As is obvious. I get distracted and in volved and I know I cannot do tha and take advantage of openbook. Wish me luck and tell me about the pp and paragraphs and I will get down to heavy duty work.
Love as always,
Amy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 12:08 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Stephen King
Dear Evan,
Amy could be a great asset if she wants to validate. I'm not sure if she's actually validated anything, yet, and though I don't mean to drag things out for you, I think it might be a good idea for us to encourage her to validate a, "easy book," as a kind of test run. Otherwise, she could have the history volume she's working mired in file confusion, etc, for eons. What do you think?
Katie was game for that Star Wars challenge you bantered about with Ernie and she knows her way around the process. She wouldn't need a trial run and it sounds like she'd enjoy working on Tolkien and working with you. I'm guessing she'd take volume one, and since you scanned it...
We'll have a fellowship yet!
I'll contemplate a chirpier quote while I give Armasted a fair run.
Always with love,
Lissi
"My story is finally out there in the ether, a self-sufficient organism beyond my control, changing shape in every new mind that absorbs it."
From The Night Listener, a novel by
Armistead Maupin
----- Original Message ----- From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Stephen King
Dear Pratik and Ernie,
If I'd read your messages first, I wouldn't have launched in to my own Steven King Spiel. I agree with both of you and have added, "Hearts of Atlantis," to my to read list and will investigate the sport's novelette. I don't even like sports, but a good author can do that, lure you to break new ground.
Always with Love,
Lissi
"My story is finally out there in the ether, a self-sufficient organism beyond my control, changing shape in every new mind that absorbs it."
From The Night Listener, a novel by
Armistead Maupin
----- Original Message ----- From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Stephen King
Hello,
Steven King can be an incredible writer when he puts his mind to it. A
part of his Dark Tower series is amazing. He loses it when he stretches
things too much. A book such as "Hearts of Atlantus," which doesn't contain
the strangeness of some of the other books, really brings out King's
strengths. His short stories are wonderful as well.
Pratik
-----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of k4zq Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 2:34 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Stephen King
Cindy,
Steve felt sorry for Cujo, too.
Peace, Ernie
----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:32 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] OT: Stephen King
----------------------------------------------------------------------------I read Cujo and Misery, and I think he's a good writer, at least in those books. I really felt sorry for Cujo. It wasn't his fault he went mad.
I also read a book of his short stories and thought they were well-written. Certainly more so than some of the popular authors, both mystery and other fiction, that I've read for bookshare.
Cindy --- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
------------------------------------------------------------------------If it put you to sleep, why are you going to read the book?
As far as King goes, the two I read were Carrie, and The dead Zone. Carrie was only okay, and since it was - I think - his first novel, I cut him some slack on that one. But I was especially disappointed with The Dead Zone. He didn't really do anything interesting with the precognition angle compared to what Frank Herbert or Mike resnick did with it. Besides, evil is so banal anyway.
----- Original Message ----- From: k4zq To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A Submission
The Synopsis put me to sleep. 'Bout as good as Cliff Notes. However, I've read a couple of books before, although, not too many, so I think I can muddle through.
Be careful what you say to me. I got that reject button, you know.
Sorry about Steve, Evan. Apt Pupil is just a good addition for education in the dark side.
Peace, Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Reese To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A Submission
It was just the left half of the dust jacket! What do you mean long? It fit in the submission form, so maybe you aren't getting enough sleep. I just read through it again in a minute or so. If you're having this much trouble with a synopsis, you may not want to tackle a whole book just yet. <grin>
I read to of King's works, and I wasn't impressed with his writing ability.
----- Original Message ----- From: k4zq To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:00 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A Submission
Evan!
Was that synopsis the entire book? Thought I'd never get through it.
I'll go see if somebody already has it, and if not, I'll get it, then I can consult with you on it if I need.
Btw, If you Ain't familiar with "Apt Pupil," it's an excellent contribution to your development as purely evil.
Peace, Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Reese To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:25 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] A Submission
Well, I finally got it up there. The book is called Transcension by Damien Broderick. It is Science Fiction. I hope the validator reads the comments I put in the form. All of the chapter headings, as well as the title and author on the title page, are in lower-case letters. I hope whomever doesn't decide that they are errors and "fix" them.
Ironically, after all the recent talk about validators reading through submissions, I hope whoever does this one does the minimum, unless they are familiar with the book. There are a number of other peculiarities in the book which might be taken as errors if someone doesn't notice their consistency. For example, the chapter headings with Arabic numbers are followed by a space, a colon, another space, and then the chapter name, whereas those chapters starting with roman numerals are followed by a colon without the space. I really enjoyed the book, but it was a lot of work to get into shape.
For any who are interested, here is the synopsis from the dust jacket:
Damien Broderick has been a leading Australian SF writer since the seventies, winning numerous awards. His novel The Dreaming Dragons was named one of the 100 best SF novels. His recent nonfiction book, The Spike, is a mind-stretching look at the wonders of the high-tech future. Now in Transcension, he brings to life one of the high-tech futures he imagined in The Spike, a 22nd-century Utopia pervaded by nanotechnology and ruled by a benign but coldly objective AI. Transcension may be Broderick's best book yet.
Amanda is a brilliant violinist, a mathematical genius, and a rebel. Impatient for the adult status her society only grants at age thirty, but determined to have a real adventure first, she has repeatedly gotten into trouble and found herself in the courtroom of Magistrate Mohammed Abdel-Malek, the sole resurrectee from among those who were frozen in the early 21st century, the man whose mind was the seed for Aleph, the AI that rules this Utopia.
Mathewmark is a real adolescent, living in the last place where they still exist, the reservation known as the Valley of the God of One's Choice, where those who have chosen faith over technology are allowed to live out their simpler lives. When Amanda determines that access to the valley is the key to the daring stunt she plans, it is Mathewmark she will have to lead into temptation.
But just as Amanda, Mathewmark. and Abdel-Malek are struggling to find themselves and achieve their potentials, so is Aleph, and the AI's success will be a challenge to them and all of humanity.
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