LOL - thanks, Bob!I can imagine the mess internet explorer would make of the pages if you told it to not intepret cvascading style sheets. shudder
Judy s. Bob wrote:
That's a neat piece of detective work Judy, almost as good as one of your picture descriptions. <lol>Actually I don't think it's a bookshare problem as much as it is a jaws or window-eyes problem. After all it's their software that is interpreting this incorrectly. I'm assuming window-eyes interprets the code the same as jaws. I think there is an option in internet explorer to tell it to not interpret cascading style sheets, but heaven only knows what the result would be. (Probably more problems than solutions.)Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn I" <lynnskyi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve - it's a dot and the word and both!Hi Judy! That explanation makes sense, sort of ... I mean I don't understand the technical aspects of HTML.Your explanation makes sense though. Sue and I both use a Braille Power 40 Braille display and JAWS screen reading software to read the screen. We mayhave different versions of JAWS, but out Braille displays are exactly the same. I use IE8 as a web browser.Thanks for looking into this, and I'm sorry if I added to the confusion, but what I see on my Braille display as the actual word "and", so I understoodwhat Sue was saying. Blessings. Lynn I ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy s." <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:51 PMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve - it's a dot and the word and both!Carrie, Sue and Lynn: The more I've read of this thread the more puzzled I've been, so I went and looked at the entry because I've never seen an "and" between author's names. smile. But when I tried copying the book listing you're using as an example and pasting it into an email I got an "and" too between the authors' names! Visually, the authors' names are separated on the screen by a graphic dot. However, I then looked at the source html code for the page. The actual word "and" is used in the code between author's names! Because of the way the actual code is written, the "and" is "hidden" by the html code from displaying on an actual visual display by using an html command that calls a cascading style sheet which turns it into the dot. From looking at the code, I'm guessing that the way the multiple authors' names are displayed will be correct visually, but incorrect for screen readers because screen readers are apparently reading the code which says "and" without correctly calling the style sheet that suppresses the and. If that doesn't make sense, the long and short of it is: the site is both right AND wrong, depending on what kind of device you are using to access the information. And it shouldn't be that way, because it means that the site is displaying different information depending on what device you use to access the site. I'm guessing here that it might be helpful to the bookshare staff to know exactly what software and hardware we're each using to access the site. It displays for me the way it does for Carrie, as a dot between the author's names. I am using the Firefox browser and I visually look at the screen on a standard Windows operating system. Judy s. siss52 wrote:Lynnsky, I'm sending you a big cyberhug!! Thanks!!!!! Sue S. ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Lynn I <mailto:lynnskyi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:02 PM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve Hi Sue, All I did was highlight the material I wanted to copy; then did a (ctrl c) and copied it to the clipboard. Then I inserted it into the e-mail message. To me, it looks the same even when I insert it into Notepad. The "and" is still there. And it is not the (&) symbol, but the word itself. Blessings. Lynn I ----- Original Message ----- *From:* siss52 <mailto:siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:57 PM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve Hi Lynnsky!! Bravo for yoou! That is exactly what I am talking about. Thanks for these examples because I did not know how to copy them. But Carrie still may not believe it. She said that when she copies them to an email it shows up as and. Carrie, go to it like we would, not like you would. Sue S. ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Lynn I <mailto:lynnskyi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:53 PM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve Hi Carrie and Sue, I didn't read the beginning of this thread so I hope I'm not misunderstanding what you're referring to, Sue. On the (browse new books) page books by multiple authors are being presented with an "and" between author names. Here are some examples I copied from that page. block quoteMartin And Meditations On The South Valley by Baca, Jimmy Santiago •and Levertov, Denise How To Be An Egyptian Princess by Morley, Jacqueline • and Hewetson, Nicholas J. Japanese Light by Baldwin, Jan • and Barber, Kimiko block quote end HTH Blessings. Lynn I ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Carrie Karnos <mailto:ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:30 PM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve Hi Sue, When I look at the new books page, I see dots between author names, no "and"s anywhere in the author field. Maybe screen readers convert dots to "and"s? No idea. Carrie------------------------------------------------------------------------*From:* siss52 <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2009 2:58:07 PM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve Carrie, When I look at the new books page, I see it as "and". That is how I found those two examples today. I did not get them from John's list. Not on the book information page, but on the page people see before they click on that page. Sue S. ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Carrie Karnos <mailto:ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:32 PM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve Now I'm really confused. I don't see the word "and" anywhere in the metadata for The Coral Reef. Its authors are Karen Zipkas <dot> Mark Norman. And if you look on its book information page, you can find "Other books by Karen Zipkas" and "Other books by Mark Norman", meaning that the system thinks that they are two separate authors. I may have solved the mystery. I just copied the author field over to this email, and it was copied as "Karen Zipkas and Mark Norman" even though on the screen it's Karen Zipkas <dot> Mark Norman. Maybe whenever the system sees the <dot> between author names, it says "and" instead. Has it always done this, or is this saying "and" new? In any event, the system is not concatenating two author names as one, which was my main concern. Carrie------------------------------------------------------------------------*From:* siss52 <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2009 1:39:16 PM *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve Hi Carrie, Two of them are The Coral Reef, and The Grand Inquisitor. There are more, I know. 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