Hi, Jackie, when it comes to audiobooks, I prefer the human-read variety. Because I have a Braille notetaker, I can download stuff in brf or US-ASCII (plain text) and read it myself on my notetaker in Braille. I realize that not everybody has this option and I admit to being picky. I don't like texts being mispronounced, but if I am reading something in Braille, what I read may be subject to my mispronunciation (grin). Regards, Kim Friedman. -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie McBride Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 7:25 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Publishers and Bookshare As a Library The truth is, most sighted folks find synthetic speech both monotonous & unintelligible, not to mention annoying when it pronounces words incorrectly. So the only ones who'd really be using it are the 1's who actually need it due to disability. I mean, seriously--if I could just pick up a book & read it, that is precisely what I'd do. When sighted folks do read audio books, it's usually while driving, & they definitively want the nice narration, not eloquence reed or something similar. Even the nicer voices don't have the kind of inflection most people want. On 12/12/09, Julia <julia.kulak@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I agree with Roger. While I definitely prefer human speech, I listen > almost exclusively to synthetic speech. I download a lot of books from > bookshare, although I also download from Bard. I like niospeech Kate > on my book sense, although I'm hoping this latest firmware version > that's coming out hopefully soon will address the words that aren't > pronounced correctly, although I've gotten used to that too. > Julia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:34 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Publishers and Bookshare As a Library > > >>I can't say that I prefer them, but they are still just fine with me. >>I have gotten used to them. If I am listening to a book read by the >>Victor Stream's Samantha and concentrating on the content of the book >>itself I tend to forget that a synthetic voice is reading it. I almost >>may as well be reading it with my own eyes like I used to. >> "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do >>because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. >> Anthony >> >> The Militant: >> http://www.themilitant.com >> Pathfinder Press: >> http://www.pathfinderpress.com >> Granma International: >> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@xxxxxxxxx> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 9:21 PM >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Publishers and Bookshare As a Library >> >> >>>I for one prefer TTS (at least with modern high quality voices) to >>>human narration. Humans do not speak fast enough for my tastes. >>> While there are tools that can do a certain amount of speed change >>>without pitch change that is just too much work to be worth it for me. >>> >>> On 12/12/09, Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> I have to agree with Judy. As a matter of fact, Nichole would never >>>> listen to a synthetic voice until the acapella voices that are now >>>> available on >>>> >>>> her >>>> device. I don't know anyone who prefers TTS over audio books and >>>> most are more than willing to pay for the alternative. The only >>>> people who learn to accept TTS are those who need a wider range of >>>> books or budget constraints make the other alternative >>>> unaffordable. Then there are people with auditory processing >>>> disorders who do not even acknowledge TTS as speech as it is >>>> processed slightly differently in the brain. >>>> >>>> In my opinion we need to constantly be exploring and expanding all >>>> mediums all of text accessibility and in a cooperative effort like >>>> Bookshare, I think that everyone comes out winners. I know that >>>> even though I have a membership now I will probably almost >>>> exclusively be a volunteer due to time constraints, but being a >>>> member will allow me to check how certain things are handled in the >>>> final process or view how proofreaders have handled my scans. >>>> >>>> Interesting dialogue everyone... >>>> Valerie >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >>>>> Behalf Of Judy s. >>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 2:39 PM >>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Publishers and Bookshare As a >>>>> Library >>>>> >>>>> I view the disabling of TTS as about as silly as the digital >>>>> rights management. >>>>> >>>> <snip> >>>>> I don't know a single sighted person, other than myself, who will >>>>> willingly listen to listen to a book that they can read by >>>>> listening to it in a synthetic voice. Me? I can't afford >>>>> expensive audible downloads, and the NLS's offerings are very >>>>> limited in my tastes, so listening to books via bookshare >>>>> downloads using either DAISY or Text Aloud has become an acquired >>>>> taste, one I've become used to and actually very much enjoy. >>>>> >>>>> If sighted readers were the least bit interested in hearing books >>>>> read with a synthetic voice, I suspect the market would be flooded >>>>> with that sort of book. Why? It is much cheaper for a book >>>>> publisher to produce that en masse than it is to hire a >>>>> professional reader and studio to produce the master for each and >>>>> every book that becomes an audible book. >>>>> >>>>> I really doubt that sales of human-read audible books would waver >>>>> one whit if ebooks had TTS enabled. It would expand the market of >>>>> ebooks available to the sighted/disabled reader, but that's about it. >>>>> >>>>> Just my opinion. Grin. >>>>> >>>>> Judy s. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >>>> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a >>>> list >>>> >>>> of >>>> available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Soronel Haetir >>> soronel.haetir@xxxxxxxxx >>> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >>> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a >>> list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. >>> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a >> list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. >> >> > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a > list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. > > -- Change the world--1 deed at a time Jackie McBride www.abletec.serverheaven.net Please join me Saturday, 11/7, on my walk against breast cancer by making a donation at: http://main.acsevents.org/goto/larkspur> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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