Hi Cindy, You can convert tables to text in Word. Place your cursor anywhere in the table Press alt+a to enter the tables menu Hit enter on "convert to text" Choose spaces from the list of things that you can have to replace the tabs in the table. Hit enter on "ok" And you're done. Also, if you make the entire document only one size and type, then only enlarge the title and chapter headings at the beginning of each chapter, you won't have to change font in the table of contents. Just a thought. Mayrie _____ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:37 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: [bksvol-discuss]Table of contentsWas A question on tables Is it only Kurzweill that does that? I've always had to move the page number to the chapter title manually, usually because i now know that bookshare doesn't retain tabs, so I move them and separate them from the chapter title with a a space . It would be nice if there were some way Word could do it for me. But I usually have to change the font of the chapter title or the page number so it doesn' really matter. e Cindy Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and books-being-scanned list available at sites below Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List Books Being Scanned List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx <Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx <Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discussspan>] Re: A question on tables To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 11:48 AM I can't say anything about most of your question, but that part about tables of contents being formatted so that the page numbers come after the chapter titles is a problem I have solved in Open Book 6. There is a setting that was checked by default called "recognize columns." I just unchecked it and now the page numbers appear on the same line as the chapter titles. I haven't actually scanned anything that is actually in columns yet, but when I do I expect to just check it again. "Can a nation be free if it oppresses other nations? It cannot." Vladimir Lenin The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com <http://wwww.themilitant.com> Pathfinder Press: http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International: http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html _ table with 2 columns and 6 rows Subj: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question on tables Date: 8/25/2009 9:31:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: rixmix2009@xxxxxxxxx Reply-to: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details) table end I have not read the most recently updated volunteer's manual, so my apologies if this is covered in there. But I wonder if someone on the list can say something about scanning a book with tables. I know that some programs like my version 11 of Kurzweil K-1000 does recognize tables and does what it does with them. But I have not taken the time yet to know exactly how to deal with them. As one quick example, I know that frequently k-1000 recognizes a page with the table of contents as a table and will put the page numbers for each chapter title like at the end of the text. And I usually go through the work and just move each successive page number to its corresponding chapter. Of course there is possibility of an error here, so I rather dislike having to do this. So if anyone has knowledge of a setting or what you do when you encounter a page with tables when you are scanning, I would enjoy reading and learning from you about it. Thanks. Rik From: Deborah Murray Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 6:29 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question on tables Hi Bob, Since this was my book, I'll add a bit more to this. I took another look at the rtf file I submitted. The table was already mangled before I sent it in, I just didn't realize it. So it seems the problem occurred when the file was converted from kes to rtf and I don't know why. It hasn't ever happened that I am aware of to any of the other books I've scanned. Deborah ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:18 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question on tables You've got it Mayrie. I want to know why the table was in tact when the submitter sent it in, and was badly mauled when I got it. Bob "A bank is a place where they lend you an umbrella in fair weather and ask for it back when it begins to rain." block quote ----- Original Message ----- From: Mayrie ReNae To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:21 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: A question on tables Hi Bob, I'm sorry. I don't understand the question you're asking. Are you asking why the submitter said the table was fine, but you encountered something that didn't seem fine, and want to know how it got messed up? Mayrie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:07 PM To: bookshare volunteer discussion Subject: [bksvol-discuss] A question on tables Hi. I recently proofread " HOWARD DEAN'S PRESCRIPTION FOR HEALTHCARE REFORM How We Can Achieve Affordable Medical Care for Every American and Make Our Jobs Safer". In one place there was a table of figures. In the file I downloaded the table spanned two pages which was awkward to read and through off the pagination. When I wrote the person who scanned the book she told me the table was fine when she sent the book in. My question is, when dealing with tables, what can be done to preserve the integrity of the table? Thanks. Bob "A bank is a place where they lend you an umbrella in fair weather and ask for it back when it begins to rain." block quote end