[bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be interested in quantity
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:13:02 -0700 (PDT)
I don't know about the upon-submission ratings, but
I've uploaded validations that have had a lot of
strange names, and some that have had some dialect,
and the automatic rating was already Excellent. I
didn't have to change it. I was very surprised.
I'm also surprised at how strange proper names are
spelled correctly. I always look at the book to check,
and they're correct. I don't know if it's the scanner
machine or if the scanning person checks the spelling
before submission.
Cindy
--- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Yeah, I hadn't thought of those books. I've read
> them all twice, except for
> the most recent one, and I think I can see how their
> quality rating would be
> artificially dragged down. I will be interested to
> see what the tools say
> when Lissi gets done with validating my submission
> of The Book of Lost
> Tales, Part One by J. R. R. Tolkien. There are a
> whole lot of names in that
> as well, and often there are many permutations of
> the same name. It might
> even be worse than The Jordan books. In fact, I
> would bet on it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jake Brownell" <jabrown@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 8:18 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be
> interested in quantity
>
>
> > Hi Lora, Cindy, et al,
> >
> > The idea of providing this percentage feedback at
> time of submission was
> > passed onto the BookShare team a while back.
> >
> > I would hesitate to base credit or anything else
> on what the BookShare
> > tool says the quality is though.
> >
> > I think Gerald said he had a complete Wheel of
> Time book that had been
> > thoroughly read and spell checked, and the
> automatic rater dumped the
> > rating at fair because of all the made up words.
> Now this book in reality
> > took more work to make sure all of these things
> were correct, but he's
> > going to get less credit?
> >
> > And I don't think that we want to have to ask the
> admins to personally
> > review these books to make certain the quality was
> rated correctly so the
> > correct amount of credit is applied; they're busy
> enough as it is.
> >
> > Automatic tools can only do so much after all,
> I've seen the adult content
> > tool mark little kids books as adult, I'd really
> like to see the words it
> > picked out to make that determination, smile.
> >
> > Just some food for thought.
> >
> > Jake
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lora" <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:45 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to
> be interested in quantity
> >
> >
> >>I think what E. and I mean is this: When I submit
> my validated book to
> >>the
> >> admin queue, the Bookshare tools run a ranked
> spell check or some other
> >> process to identify it's final quality. In
> addition to doing this at the
> >> validation step, we should do it at the
> submission step. The submitter
> >> then
> >> receives immediate feedback as to its quality:
> fair, good or excellent,
> >> and
> >> the person validating already has a rough idea of
> the shape the book is
> >> in.
> >>
> >> Bookshare could then, eventually, bar fair
> quality books from being
> >> submitted ... Or implement a scheme where an
> excellent book receives $3
> >> for
> >> submission, a good book $2, and a fair quality
> book $1. Increase the
> >> validation credit to $1, and you have a very
> equitable scale, in my mind.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Cindy
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:52 PM
> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to
> be interested in
> >> quantity
> >>
> >> E,
> >>
> >> I don't think bookshare checks books that are
> submitted. They go
> >> instantly
> >> onto the download shelf, and aren't checked by an
> administrator until
> >> uploaded after valdation--and then, I think,
> Gustavo only checks the
> >> copyright info. That's the impression I get,
> anyway, given the fact that
> >> books in the collection have pages missing or
> garbled, etc. It would take
> >> him too long to check through the book.
> >> That's what we validators are for. So unless we
> reject a book, it's going
> >> to
> >> be accepted by bookshare. I don't see how they
> can know what's poor
> >> quality.
> >>
> >> Cindy
> >>
> >> - I base
> >>> this suspicion on the fact that bookshare still
> permits submits of
> >>> poor quality books rather than raising the bar,
> thereby making less
> >>> work for validators and improving the quality of
> bookshare's
> >>> collection. Bookshare for now seems to want to
> keep the bar low and
> >>> strive for quantity.
> >>>
> >>> E.
> >>> At 07:15 AM 9/26/2006, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >Hi Monica,
> >>> >
> >>> >I do understand that some people validate for
> >>> credits, and there's nothing
> >>> >at all wrong with that. On the other hand,
> many of
> >>> the people on this list,
> >>> >yourself included, strike me as dedicated, and
> >>> willing to do a good job for
> >>> >Bookshare at the same time. Originally, Evan I
> >>> think it was, said that by
> >>> >offering more money, people would just rush
> through
> >>> their validations to get
> >>> >the credits. Although this may be true for
> some, I
> >>> still find it hard to
> >>> >believe that most volunteers would do that.
> Didn't
> >>> someone say that only
> >>> >seven people paid for their memberships through
> >>> their volunteer efforts?
> >>> >
> >>> >On the other hand, I'd rather see the pay scale
> >>> changed entirely. Perhaps
> >>> >$2 for submissions, and $1 for validation,
> would
> >>> balance the scales more
> >>> >equably.
> >>> >
> >>> >This would balance so that 25 submissions, or
> 50
> >>> validations, would pay for
> >>> >a renewal of membership.
> >>> >
> >>> >And if offering more for validations would
> cause
> >>> people to race through a
> >>> >validation, offering less would seem to
> encourage
> >>> people to race even
> >>> >faster. After all, if I'll only make fifty
> cents
> >>> per validation, that means
> >>> >I'll have to validate 100 books to get through
> the
> >>> renewal process. Better
> >>> >validate real fast!
> >>> >
> >>> >-----Original Message-----
> >>> >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> >>> Behalf Of Monica Willyard
> >>> >Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:50 PM
> >>> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a sort of raise
> for
> >>> validators
> >>> >
> >>> >Hi, Cindy. I have a scanner and use Openbook
> to
> >>> scan. What I was trying to
> >>> >say is that without credits, I wouldn't do much
> on
> >>> the validating side of
> >>> >things. As it is, I do validation both for the
> >>> credit and because we have a
> >>> >pretty hefty step 1 page right now. Lora was
> >>> talking about not validating
> >>> >for credits, and that is what I was responding
> to.
> >>> (smile)
> >>> >
> >>> >Monica Willyard
> >>> >
> >>> >On Monday 9/25/2006 11:34 PM, you wrote:
> >>> > >Monica,
> >>> > >
> >>> > >One gets so much more monetary credit for
> >>> scanning, and all you'd
> >>> > >really have to do after a scan is to check
> the
> >>> copyright page and put
> >>> > >the right info in the submission form; go
> through
> >>> the book and be sure
> >>> > >no pages have been omitted (we've all done
> that,
> >>> and double-scanned a
> >>> > >page, too); and delete junk characters; and
> run a
> >>> spell-check. So you
> >>> > >validate because you don't have a scanner? I
> >>> think some can be had
> >>> > >relatively inexpensively and it might pay you
> n
> >>> the long run.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >I don't blame you at all for validating for
> the
> >>> credits. I probably
> >>> > >would work for the credits, too. I admit that
> in
> >>> my lifetime I have
> >>> > >volunteered my time and efforts rather than
> >>> donated money, not only
> >>> > >because I feel I'm being useful but because I
> >>> don't have that much
> >>> > >money to donate. smile
> >>> > >
> >>> > >Cindy
> >>> >
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