[bksvol-discuss] Re: hold for revisited
- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:44:07 -0600
Isn't there a Monica who has sight as well? Monica from Maryland maybe?
Sue S.
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From: "Lisa Belville" <lisab12@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:05 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: hold for revisited
Ah, Thanks, Susan, and Thanks to Jamie for helping us. <grins>
Lisa
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From: "Susan" <slumpkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:34 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: hold for revisited
> Lisa,
>
> Good posts; I'd only like to add that Jamie from Michigan is sighted too
> and
> has helped many of us.
>
> Susan, The Happy validator
>
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> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lisa Belville
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:01 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: hold for revisited
>
> Hi, Dave,
>
> As someone who exclusively validates and has her name listed with the
> "hold
> For" designation, I just want to point out a few reasons why the "Hold
> For"
> provision is there, and why it's not really as elitist as you may think.
>
> First, your point about someone having a copy of the book is a valid one.
> however, it must be noted that we really do not have that many sighted
> volunteers. Besides Grandma Cindy, Barbra, and Judy, I can't think of any
> off the top of my head.
>
> To address your other points:
>
> Dave says: 2. for a vallidator with specific interest in the project; Lisa
> says: Yes, and I think this is a perfectly legitimate reason. For
> example,
> I volunteered to validate Julie's book about dogs from the Iams company.
> Why? Because I like dogs, and so the subject is relevant to me.
> Julie posted to the list asking for volunteers and I responded. She
> didn't
> have to pick me, she could have just waited to see how many of us offered
> to
> validate the book and just picked a name at random or made us guess a
> number
> between 1 and 1 million. <smiles> But doing this would be impractical,
> not
> to mention time-consuming, so she gave me the privilege of validating
> what's
> turning out to be an interesting read for me.
>
>
> Dave says: 3. for the submitter's assurance that the book will be picked
> up
> in a timely manner; Lisa says: And what's wrong with this? We have had
> books on Step 1 for over a year. If a submitter knows in advance that
> someone is interested in
> validating a book encompassing specialized subject matter, I see nothing
> wrong with having a validator's name listed, since that book will be
> validated and hopefully added to the collection in a more timely manner.
> The example of the religious book Cindy Lou is validating is a perfect
> demonstration of this concept in action.
>
>
> Dave says: 4. for the submitter's assurance that the book will be handled
> in
> an appropriate manner.
> Lisa Says: See above. <smiles> All of the instances you listed above are
> perfectly legitimate reasons for a submitter to include a validator's name
> with the "Hold For" designation. All of us are submitting and validating
> on
> our own time. many of us do it for the love of Bookshare and its mission
> rather than for actual credits toward a subscription. I don't think it's
> being selfish or elitist for a submitter and a validator to form an
> alliance
> in which books are submitted, validated, and published on Bookshare. As
> submitters and validators, we should have some say so over what we submit
> and validate. Sure, I've validated books that aren't of interest to me,
> but
> honestly, I'd prefer to stick to subjects that I enjoy, and validate books
> from submitters who I know do a good job.
>
> I'm not sure what we can do about all volunteers not being on the list.
> perhaps Bookshare should say something on their volunteer sign up pages to
> the effect that" "All volunteers are strongly encouraged to sign up for
> one
> or more Bookshare oriented lists." And then site the reasons why having
> access to the list makes the submission and validation process run more
> smoothly.
>
> I don't want to come across as callis here, but a volunteer's refusal to
> join the list isn't my problem How many times have books lingered on step
> 1
> or have to be rejected simply because we cannot reach the submitter to
> have
> pages rescanned? How many times have we discussed the submissions of
> various submitters who are not on the list, and do not provide an E-mail
> address? The same holds true for validators. E's example of validating
> with no punctuation spoken is a good one. This is a tip that a beginning
> validator needs to know.
>
> So, even though I'm not walking around with my nose in the air or
> practicing
> the secret Bookshare handshake, <grins> I think maintaining the "Hold For"
> designation is a good way to ensure that the submission and validation
> process will lead to an increase in books with an excellent raiding
> without
> bogging down Step 1 with books no one is interested in validating.
>
> I hope you take these comments in the spirit in which they're given, which
> is to help articulate the rationale behind the "Hold For" designation, and
> not to promote some kind of elitist Bookshare membership.
>
> Lisa
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:31 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] hold for revisited
>
>
>> I'm going to lead off here with the passage from the Step 1 page
>> regarding
>
>> books with 'Hold For' in their title.
>>
>> Titles denoted with a "Hold For" prefacing the title are intended for a
>> specific validator. Please respect this request.
>>
>> My first question here is, why? Now I must admit I am, and always have
>> been, biased against the practice of 'Hold For' books. To me, the
>> practice smacks of elitism, cliquishness, and in many cases the primary
>> objective does not seem to be the quality of the collection.
>> I understand there can be a number of reasons to put hold for in the
>> title, and they include:
>> 1. for a vallidator with a copy of the book, or text in question, to have
>> something to compare against the submitted work;
>> 2. for a vallidator with specific interest in the project;
>> 3. for the submitter's assurance that the book will be picked up in a
>> timely manner;
>> 4. for the submitter's assurance that the book will be handled in an
>> appropriate manner.
>> Now I'm sure there are other reasons as well, but to me the only one that
>> would seem to have merit, is the first one I sited above, with the
>> proviso for our sighted volunteers, that any of the projects they touch
>> can only be improved upon by the ability to compare the original print
>> version with the copy submitted to Bookshare. I make this last
>> tipulation
>
>> because sometimes technology can become too clever and we can start
>> relying on it too heavily at the expense of accuracy. Aside from that
>> however, I don't believe that most of the hold for books fall under the
>> 1st example above, but instead come under 1 or more of the others.
>> In closing, before I get the fire storm going, no, I can't recall a
>> specific instance where I wished to validate a hold for book, but I just
>> don't like the exclusionary practice, and I would point out that not all
>> volunteers are on the list so as to be aware of the why and wherefores.
>>
>> Dave
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