[bksvol-discuss] Re: openbook clarification
- From: "Gerald Hovas" <geraldhovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:55:18 -0500
Scott,
You can use the Alt Key NumPad method explained in the earlier message for
entering the characters into the Search and Replace fields just like you can
in the text.
No, you don't want to replace 148 with 39. If you read the message a little
closer you will see that ASCII defined the double quote (34) before the
single quote (39) while Microsoft defined the single quotes (145 & 146)
before the double quotes (147 & 148) in its ASCII extension. You'll need to
try replacing 148 with 34 if you want to see if the translater prefers the
generic quotes.
Gerald
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Scott Blanks
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:13 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: openbook clarification
Gerald,
Your explanation was very clear, and I think I've determined that all the
opening and closing double quotes in my docs are character 148.
My next question is whether I can enter these values into the find and
replace of MS Word for example. Let's say I want to replace char 148 with
char 039, could I place 148 in the find, and 039 in the replace edit boxes?
And, am I right then in that I would want to replace all double quotes with
039, and all single quotes with 034?
Thanks,
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Hovas" <geraldhovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:45 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: openbook clarification
Scott,
The character set that Windows uses has three characters for single quote
and three for double quote. What you are probably seeing are the open and
close single quotes and the open and close double quotes which are
characters 145, 146, 147, and 148, respectively. There is also a generic
double quote and generic single quote which are characters 34 and 39,
respectively.
Visually, I think the only difference is the way the quotes are slanted.
It's not easy, though, for OCR software to catch the slight difference in
the quotes and recognize them correctly. For one thing, a slight skewing of
the page could possibly cause the OCR software to recognize the wrong quote.
You can determine which character is at the cursor by hitting the 5 on the
NumPad three times quickly. As you know, the 5 is the key which JAWS uses
to read the current character. If you hit it twice quickly, JAWS will speak
the letter phonetically, but hit it three times quickly, and JAWS will speak
the value of the character.
I checked the quotes in the book I'm working on, and Fine Reader had not
only ended two quotations with a closing quote, but had begun them with the
closing quote as well. I tried typing a double quote from the keyboard to
see what I got, and Word first entered an opening quote, then when I typed
it again, Word entered a closing quote. So you possibly have four different
programs trying to determine which quote to use: first, Fine Reader (or
another OCR program), second, OpenBook (or Kurzweil), third, Word (or
another word processor), and finally, the Braille translation program.
What you may want to try, and I believe what was suggested, is to replace
the opening and closing quotes with the generic quote. You can specify
which quote to use in the Search and Replace by turning on NumLock and
typing a four digit value using the NumPad while holding down the Alt key.
The value is a 0 followed by the value of the quote you want, 034, 147, or
148 for double quote and 39, 145, or 146 for single quote. So you'll need
to enter 0034, 0147, etc. Don't forget to turn NumLock back off, though,
before trying to use JAWS again, or you will start entering numbers into
your document. I hate it when that happens. <Smile> I haven't used this
trick for quotes before, but I use it now and then to enter an - (m dash),
which is 151.
You also asked whether or not converting to RTF will automatically correct
the quotes. No, since the opening and closing versions of the quotes are
valid characters for the RTF file format. BTW, the file I was looking at in
Word with the problem with the quotes was an RTF file.
HTH
Gerald
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Scott Blanks
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 7:00 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] openbook clarification
I'd like to know, if someone can describe, what openbook puts into documents
in place of quotes and apostrophes?
Also, and I apologize if I seem dense, but is my understanding accurate that
these out-of-place characters remain in the document when converted to rtf
from Openbook's .ark format? In other words, visually the odd characters are
still present? They haven't changed back to regular quotes and apostrophes?
I am in the same boat as other blind users in that, and this has been
mentioned before, the signs seem correct according to my screen reader.
Thanks, and I hope my questions made some sense,
Scott
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