Shelley, in this case Mary is absolutely correct. Trash around the beginning of chapter titles is typically graphic debris. Nuke it. Guido D. Corona IBM Accessibility Center, Austin Tx. IBM Research, Phone: (512) 838-9735 Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx Visit my weekly Accessibility WebLog at: http://www-3.ibm.com/able/weblog/corona_weblog.html "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 06/17/2004 12:46 PM Please respond to bksvol-discuss To <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject [bksvol-discuss] Re: quality and compairisons Also, and this is not a stab against us, for not being able to see, a lot of us, are legally blind, there are headings and fancy fonts in some of these books and I know for me, I don't know if what I am deleting is a picture or something that adds to the book. For example, in the book I am working on right now City of Dreams by Stephen and Ross Lawhead, the chapters have a line or two of junk characters before the number of the chapter. Now if these are a picture fine, but if not. It isn't part of the text of the book, but.... Shelley L. Rhodes and Judson, guiding golden juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Advisory Council www.guidedogs.com If a friend is in trouble, don't annoy him by asking if there is anything you can do. Think up something appropriate and do it. -- Edgar Watson Howe