Dear Devorah, One of the reasons I'm such a pokey validator is that I do indexes because I'm validating books I've chosen which I want to be as complete as possible and because in most cases when reading nonfiction, I want the index to be available for my own benefit. I appreciate them when they show up. I understand why some validators omit an index. They are very time consuming. My methods are intuitive, so I'd rather share them off list, but I'll admit to some of my formatting practices. Often the print in indexes is smaller than the print in the rest of the book and the two column format really causes the pages to be long. I never keep the columns. I lengthen the page as much as possible and if the page still seems too long I number the page 248A for the first column and 248b for the second column. I just made up the page number 248 to make the example. Working through an index is tedious. Sometimes I start on it at the same time I start validating, just doing a page or so a day so I don't get burned out listening to strings of page numbers etc. It is important to check the spacing of those page numbers. I noticed in the example you gave that some numbers were in the trillions because of the lack of spaces after the commas separating the numbers. If the scan is fairly accurate, I don't check every numeral, just the spacing. The best submittors we have don't get accurate scans of indices. It isn't their fault. Scanners tend to combine short lines eliminating the hard returns which would mimic the formatting in the print book. I definitely don't put in hard returns to duplicate the line lengths in the index. I put a hard return after each entry and two hard returns after the last entry for a letter and before the following letter like between cyclone and dabble. Long lists of very short lines are tedious to read on braille displays. It doesn't effect the meaning to change the line length. It doesn't help in comprehension or the author's meaning. Poetry is a different matter. In poetry, the line length is often chosen by the poet for a reason. In validating poetry I reproduce the lines as exactly as possible even if it means putting a hard return after every line. If there are subtopics under an entry, you might consider indicating the subtopic with a double dash. Honestly you'll get in to a kind of rhythm when you get used to formatting an index and it isn't so bad. I used to dread them and now they are slow, but business as usual and I am proud of them. I'll give you the names of some books I've validated with indices which include the Tolkien books, the Silmarillion and the History of Middle-earth volumes 1, 2 and 3 and factual books about Ireland, Scotland and Wales. As for bibliographies. I love, love, love, them. They give me super ideas of more books to read about a topic and even of more books to add to the collection. I'm dedicated but no expert, so if you want to talk in more detail, please contact me off list. I'd rather not debate. I just want to keep validating. Don't give up. Indices are doable! Best of luck. Always with love, Lissi ----- Original Message ----- From: Devorah Greenstein To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 10:56 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] yikes continued Sorry - I was trying to overcome my computer's determination to continue tab stops and the message was sent. I wonder what combination of characters brought that on. Anyway, any suggestions would be most welcome. It feels like a big job to untangle fourteen pages, two columns of this book's index - so I want to know about format etc before I start. Many thanks. It's been a fabulous book, and I recommend it: It's called "Entangled Minds: Extrasensory Experiences in a Quantum Reality" Devorah