Hi, John.
The issues existing in iOS 13 are why I have chosen to remain on iOS 12
until Apple resolves the ones which still remain.
On 9/29/2019 5:05 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:
Hey David.
Well if you look at it that way, perhaps there won’t be as many major bugs at one time like there is at iOS.
I’m running the latest iOS on one device, and keep debating about downgrading it to iOS 12 because of all of this stuff while its still signed.
Truth is that’s a bit techy, takes time, and while I have done it I don’t particularly like going thru all that.
Its an involved thing.
Apple need to make this progress more easily done by non techy types.
If they did it more like FS and Microsoft did, maybe these bugs wouldn’t be so major.
That lock screen one and switching focus like that is particularly annoying. Ugh. *sighs*
Viewing my lock screen isn’t really possible with Several grouped notifications.
That being said its not nearly as involved as routing an android device. So yeah guess it could be worse lol.
John
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John,
I would say yes to everything you've said.
Users of Windows 7 should have little difficulty in using the JAWS cursor. It's just become very badly broken with Windows 10 which is what the 2020 release of JAWS is beginning to address.
I think that you will see additional support and feature enhancements coming to Chrome. I predict that Chrome's popularity will increase. In fact, Webaim just recently completed its eighth screen reader usage survey and we should see the results being made available in a month or two. I predict that Chrome usage will increase and, once the new Chromium-based Edge has gone public, its popularity will radically increase among blind users and it will have the popularity once enjoyed by Internet Explorer.
As for JAWS updates I do agree with Merv's take on this issue. In the past, JAWS updates delivered features with a similar cadence to iOS. In other words, we would always see a masive JAWS update around September or October. This new update would have the version number increased and it would introduce tons of new features and enhancements to existing ones. As an example, JAWS would go from version 9 to version 10 and all of the new features for version 10 would be introduced in one fell swoop. During the course of the next year FS would introduce maintenance releases which wouldn't add many new features but would just add tweeks and fixes to the new set of features. This would also mean that users who are about to have their software maintenance agreements expire would need to renew in order to get the next two major upgrades.
I think that things are starting to change with the way this has been done and, for some users, it will be a bit jarring and may cause initial feelings of disappointment. Last year, JAWS 2019 introduced a few new things but a lot of what they did in the initial 2019 release was to tweek some existing capabilities. However, over the next twelve months updates to 2019 did more than fix features but new features were introduced, such as the picture smart feature mentioned by Merv, which I believe was introduced in a March update.
I'll admit that I had similar feelings about JAWS 2020 that you did. I was also underwhelmed and my initial thought was, "wow, that's all they added?" However, Merv's comments, as well as some thinking about it on my own, caused me to reevaluate my views. First, Eric Damery indicated that the features we're seeing are for Beta 1, which could mean that beta 2, beta 3 and even the first public release after beta 3 may introduce a feature or two that hasn't even been hinted at. I think that many users, especially SMA holders, are going to feel that disappointment at the initial release and they may feel that they're not getting their money's worth out of the software the way they once did. However, it's better to now look at JAWS as a subscription, the way we think about Office 365. In the case of Office 365, Microsoft doesn't, as far as I know, have one main update containing the bulk of all of the newly added features for the next calendar year. Instead, they introduce features gradually, with an update possibly containing just one or two features for Word, one for Excel, a bunch of security fixes, etc. This is probably easier for developers as they're not forced to cram 50 features in one massive update, only to spend the rest of the year trying to fix bugs in all of those new features. The next Windows 10 update is actually going to be a small incremental update as well, with very little in the way of new features. This is actually OK with me and it's something I wish that Apple would do with iOS as it would probably create fewer bugs. Users of the JAWS home annual license may be a bit more accepting of this model of distribution because, for them, JAWS really is a subscription. You're not paying for one major update but you are paying for any and all updates that become available during the license period. SMA holders need to do a small paradigm shift and look at JAWS similarly and view it as more of a subscription service, where features are rolled out over a period of time, rather than one massive update where all features for the year are introduced all at once.
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 9/17/2019 5:56 PM, John Holcomb wrote:
In other words its because I mostly use Windows 7, so been using older video intercept stuff, and so I don’t have to think about the newer things that others do who have been running Windows 10 for a while. Although that will change come January 2020.
That plus I don’t use Chrome.
That plus FS as they get new features, they are released as they are ready, it matters not the month like it used to, since they’re releasing updates often.
DO I got it right?
John
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The reason it is in your words underwhelming is because vispero has been releasing major features and fixes throughout the year that in past years would have been held for one major fall release. Picture smart was one of those such enhancements and I use that quite a bit. Looking forward to the next few months you will see changes to how Jaws interacts with cursors and you will see vast improvements. With windows 10 changing things in the UIA and making the Jaws and invisible cursor much more difficult and in some cases obsolete you will see the various cursors streamlined and enhanced. And a few other tricks added to make your Jaws experience much easier.
I’m running 2020 myself and I am already looking forward to future updates to see what comes next. Microsoft makes it difficult to keep up with accessibility and we have to sometimes use as many tools as we can keep in the toolbox to stay up with the accessibility game.
Merv
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Actually, for the first time ever, its so underwhelming that I’m not sure if I even wanna spend the time to install the beta.
I’ve never felt this way since jaw’s beginnings and I, which started in Jaws 3.0 or 3.2.
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A bit more thinking leads me to being glad for the JAWS cursor working better, if true, before it was broken.
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On 9/17/2019 4:21 PM, John Holcomb wrote:
Wow. This is underwhelming… but here’s the URL to grab beta 1 if
you want.
https://support.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS/JAWSPublicBeta
