Hi Everyone,
An interesting conversation about working with entities.
We actually have a track at the upcoming North American National conference in
October
that is related to this topic; traditional and indigenous wisdom
constellations. Our vision
is bridging the divide; healing the personal and collective soul. Not sure
whether this topic
was included in previous conferences but from the postings below there seems
to be need for
inclusion.
The RFP is out and proposal are due April 3. Please take a look and consider
applying to this track or
the other tracks dealing with social justice, organizational development, and
family constellations
Cheers,
Harrison Snow
programming chair
here is the link:
http://www.nasconstellations.org/
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From: jack blackwell travelerjbjb@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:27 PM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Entities, Attachments--Summary & More Thoughts
Thank you Michael, I truly appreciate your synopsis. For some reason it feels
good to read this and opens my heart. I do feel that I am being called to learn
these processes.
Much love and appreciation to all of you who contributed.
Jack
PS I've ordered your recommended book from Amazon
Jack Blackwell (720) 458-5363
Connecting Spirit & Psychology ~ Creates Profound Insights & Healing
Family Constellation Workshops & Trainings, Group & Private Therapy Offerings
Learn more here: healingfamilytrauma.com
From: "Michael Reddy michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:17 AM
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Entities, Attachments--Summary & More Thoughts
Hello,
It's been a long time since I posted here, and I'm late to this discussion.
Apologies for that. A lot of important points have been made in this thread:
- you tend to receive as client problems what you can handle or are being asked
to learn more about;
- there is personal risk involved in dealing with some energies;
- there are different kinds of attachments which do not "belong" in a person or
family's field;
- there are diffferent traditions and rituals for dealing with them;
- some clients who think there are attachments have instead normal systemic
issues.
Thanks to all who contributed.
But I agree with Elmear that this issue of "entities" is showing up more and so
will say a few things. I think the increase right now involves the fact that
the struggle for the fate of Mother Earth is reaching certain climactic points.
So it's important.
Like Liz and Laure and others, my training in these matters preceded
involvement with constellations. It took place during and after an
apprenticeship to indigenous and mixed blood teachers 1986-93. Part of the
"training" involved being attacked and surviving. What follows relates to my
ways, and things may be different for other workers. it is long but perhaps of
value.
In my experience there are different kinds of attachments ranging from
- relatively benign to highly malevolent,
- and from unintelligent energy forms spun off by ritual or perticularly
intense loves or hates
- to highly conscious and sophisticated beings.
- and also at times just extremely strong archetypes or "curses" with long
histories affecting some family
Examples of the last one can be found in Schutzenberger's THE ANCESTOR SYNDROME.
Yes some entities are simply human souls who failed to transition after sudden
death. Not all atachments are probematic. A couple of my shamanic teachers
had strongly attached "helpers." Sometimes a grandmother hangs out in the
field of a beloved granddaughter until her own issue is resolved and her
descendant has been helped past some obstacle. A twin lost in the womb or at
birth will stay with his or her sibling at times
I don't see the human soul so much as a distinct thing, but rather more of a
diffuse energy field with central parts that deeply "belong" and more
peripheral parts that have collected in various ways for better or for worse.
There are various kinds of psychic symbiosis. This in my mind is similar to
situations in family systems at times. For instance, a man's living or lost
combat buddies become part of the family system, but at times not to the same
degree as parents, children, etc.
The most comprehensive book written about entitities and attachments to
individuals that I know of is William Baldwin's SPIRIT RELEASEMENT
THERAPY--which i recommend if you are a reader.
Personally, I won't undertake this kind of work in an open workshop, but only
either in private or with an advanced group of helpers. It can be too
frightening for others in the workshop. And fear is often the first inroad to
attachment. It is very important not to spread fear in talking about these
things. We all have psychic immune systems.
If something truly foreign and problematic is active in the field of a person
or ancestral family, it can typically only be there by virtue of unhealed
traumas that it can exacerbate and feed off of. So the general form of a
clearing involves
- work healing the traumas (attachment points),
- separating the outside energy temporarily, enough to determine if the client
is truly willing to let it go,
- moving the outside energy on its way (if the client so chooses),
- and filling the void it left in the client with local positive as opposed to
outside negative energies.
Not all necessarily all in that simple linear order.
Christian excorcists it seems felt their job was to send a malevolent outside
energy "to hell"; new age practitioners tend to try to send the energy "into
the light." The function of me and the angels and totems that support me in
this work is offer a choice. It an energy wishes to enter the light, we can do
ritual and help. If it's fate is to continue to spread pain and thereby
challenge others to grow, then it may depart. But it cannot stay here.
We do not "command," in our way. We simply present a force of compassionate
love and light and establish a "thou shalt not cross barrier." Then there are
various rituals to to cleanse and make sure that barrier remains secure
afterwards.
This involves a metaphysics in which, as some here have said, light exists at
the center of everything, and darkness has its sacred role in challenging the
universe to evolve. Malevolent ones are "the dark teachers" to us. Extremely
nasty sometims, but still just teachers.
One way to conceptualize the more malevolent entities is to imagine beings that
have been multiply retraumatized. I think of them as layer upon layer of
dashed hopes and bitter losses around the same wounding. So much so that their
only solace is to spread their pain as much as possible. The goal of the truly
malevolent ones with respect to you the healing facilitator as well is not to
be helped out of their hole, but rather to pull you in with them.
I repeat what others have said: not everyone can or should undertake heavier
aspects of this work. Personally, it has been costly for me at times and at
times I can't do any more of it for a while. I regard it as a calling, not so
much something one decides to do, and it can be a rough road at times. Still,
given the world in its present state of crisis, I think more of us have to be
willing to walk this path.
But it also follows from all this that facilitators might find themselves
perfectly capable of dealing with some forms of attachments, while best
referring others elsewhere. An innocent lost human soul attached in confusion
may be very grateful to be aided in going into the light, for instance.
Sending love and energy to this group, even though I have not been around for a
while.
Michael
Michael Reddy, PhD, CPC, ELI-MPmichael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 610 469
7588www.reddyworks.comRelieving Chronic Emotional/Physical Suffering
usingFamily Constellations | Core Energy Coaching | EFT | Shamanism
On Feb 2, 2017, at 9:45 AM, jack blackwell travelerjbjb@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Robert, with due respect,
I've got a client who has wanted to die for much of 16 years because his entire
life is being impacted by something he does not understand. Since he was 8
years old. Every aspect of his life is severely marginalized.
I don't understand it because our society shuns conversations about it. The
cultural story is that these things are non-existant or dangerous. So I have
posed the question and am learning.
Am I concerned about working with an energy like this, absolutely. Am I
concerned for representative safety, absolutely. Do I want whatever is
effecting my client to attach to someone else in the room, no.
I am fine with my fears, though I am not sure I would call them borderline.
And from this thread I realize that I will refer this client out and I am
developing a healthy respect for these energies and am open to seeing them as
lost rather than dark. Though there may be some truth in them being dark or
malevolent.
Sincerely, Jack
Jack Blackwell (720) 458-5363
Connecting Spirit & Psychology ~ Creates Profound Insights & Healing
Family Constellation Workshops & Trainings, Group & Private Therapy Offerings
Learn more here: healingfamilytrauma.com
From: "Robert Grant erebees@xxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] entities, dark forces, attachments, etc &
Family Constellations
Dark Entities. The corrosive effect of fear on human consciousness seems tobe
manifest is this thread about entities. I do feel and consider it is ofutmost
importance to respect, allow and not deny feelings and experienceshowever
irrational or borderline they may be. It is no surprise towitness facilitators
becoming personally overwhelmed by delusional, trauma andfear driven imagery.
Luckily the main game is to give some space, voice andacceptance to all this
elements in our psyche. What a wonderful field to playin. Best wishes to
all,Robert
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:01 AM, Nancy Tung nancytung88@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I am following this thread with great interest. Thanks for bringing it up,
Jack!
When I was new in Constellation, I was quite fearful of dark entities because I
would not know what to do with them.
As my experience grew, I noticed they are energies in need of been seen, heard,
and a place to belong just like the rest of us. When their needs are met, they
turn benevolent and peaceful.
I would be interested to learn from Laure how to de-posses without using words
for the client. Thank you very much!
Nancy
Nancy Tung RNHolistic Wellness PractitionerHelping people liberate from their
chronic pain and let life blossom!NancyTung.com
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Laure Porché laure.porche@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@ yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Jack,
My experience is, if this shows up repeatedly for you, it's probably because
you have the capacity to hold that specific Field. I agree with Anngwyn in the
sense that if the client is asking specifically for depossession, it is better
to refer him to someone who does that outside of constellation (I have names if
you need them). But I find that very often for me (and probably because I am
trained in this), possession issues show up in constellations without the
client being aware of what is going on. In this case, I do the depossession via
the constellation, without necessarily using the word with the client, as it
can be traumatic.
Since you seem to be attracting a lot of these cases, I would recommend taking
Betsy Bergstrom Compassionate Depossession training if you're not already
trained in this. She's also a trained FC facilitator. I'd be happy to talk more
about this in private if you wish. My email: laure.porche@xxxxxxxxx or phone
3476065526 Blessings,
Laure
On 01/02/2017 08:00, jack blackwell travelerjbjb@xxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]
wrote:
Over the past 8 months, since I've opened my mind a bit more, I've had a
number of clients approach me regarding entities and feeling they had
beings/entities attached to them.
I'm cautious about working with these forces. Though I do believe
Constellations can help.
Questions
Do any of you have experience working with these issues and if so what results
have you experienced?
How do you create a safe enough space to work in these realms? For the
representatives too? (I'm concerned about representatives carrying these
energies)
I want to be of service and I believe constellations can help, but I have to
make it safe enough for all concerned. This is my top priority.
Thank you for your input
Jack
Jack Blackwell (720) 458-5363
Connecting Spirit & Psychology ~ Creates Profound Insights & Healing
Family Constellation Workshops & Trainings, Group & Private Therapy Offerings
Learn more here: healingfamilytrauma.com
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