Greetings from Arizona
Yes fathers are important and Iconic Columbine killers Harris and Klebold came
from intact middle class families.
Warm Regards
Anngwyn
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On Feb 26, 2018, at 10:08 PM, Bernardo Rosa Ramirez
bernardorosaramirez@xxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi everyone,
Found another piece of the puzzle.
https://www.facebook.com/KibbeCRTV/videos/333059890517966/
Absence of father in the family system. Not sure if you had talked about it
already.
Being a son of separated parents I can recognize a inner violence that was,
many times, directed to my peers with the feeling of being misunderstood and
marginalized.
Just one more reflection.
Best regards from Spain,
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 02:24, Anngwyn anngwyn@xxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]--
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Barbara
This could be implied in the deaths and wounding of victims of gum
massacres like Columbine and Parkland as atonement for the genocidal
massacres within that location 's field of memory . And if and how such
connections may occur would make for an interesting study.
In the Columbine massacre The identities of the perpetrators and victims are
known as probably are the Cavalry soldiers that carried out massacres in
that region .
In Germany I had some cases of bizarre hunting and gun accidents with young
men who had heavy war stories in their systems.
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Warm regards
Anngwyn
On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:49 PM, David Gmail davidslade8@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes, we each have blind spots unique to our personal history and structure
and then there are also collective blind spots or I could say collective
cultural agreements that we are all blind to, we take them for granted as
truth. The very idea of separateness or duality is one! Get it? One.
Hahaha....
And for me the connection I see in the historical account is the powerful,
irrational fear of losing guns connected to our independence. The genocide
of the indigenous people and attack on its culture and the manipulation of
other govts I see as a hidden alignment with the imperialistic power that
we supposedly fought to free our self from. It’s like if I hate and reject
David Slade
Arborist
Systemic Coach
Family Constellation Facilitator
On Feb 25, 2018, at 1:45 PM, Chris Walsh chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Nina
I find your urge to cover up as a facilitator very interesting.
Being aware of that energy is very important. I could be very interesting
to give it a representative.
I have seen a facilitator cover up a very obvious perpetrator energy that
the representative was telling them about very clearly. blind spots work
at many levels!
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9420 1425
www.mindfulness.org.au
On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 6:31 PM, ninaishtar ninaishtar@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes it's very interesting Barbara.
From my Australian perspective and experience, we as a nation are
collective so fearful of our violent past with our Aboriginal people that
we are still conquering them today but pretending we are not. I believe
we are not yet mature enough to really! acknowledge the truth. There is
so much subconscious fear of what this would actually mean today.
I have left professional positions that were "supposedly" about helping
current day Aboriginal people because my experience is they were really
just covering up the truth. We say the right words but our actions do not
show to me that we have fully looked directly into our origins and
accepted them as they were. We very quickly move to "heal". A quick and
panicked grab for the remedy before we have really seen the full extent
and depth of the wound.
We have armed ourselves with a clever denial that is very invested in
keeping the power imbalance intact... I wonder if that were removed,
weaponry would be "needed" in Australia.
Already in the early days of my systemic constellation work with
organisations I see this turning up. Many if not all of our systems were
established upon this violence and theft.
I also experience as a facilitator the very powerful pull into the cover
up. It's so strong! Having grown up here I witness the influence this has
had on me and I have had a background in equity! It's a challenge to
stand outside of this part of the field. One needs a lot of strength and
clarity as a facilitator when this issue starts to arise.
Constellation work has in my view so much potential for this country and
this deep seated part of our roots. I know many others must sense this
too.
I am inspired to hear that you are doing some work in Bristol in October
and I would love to hear how this progresses.
Blessings
Nina
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From: "Barbara Morgan theknowingfield@xxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 25/02/2018 1:51 PM (GMT+08:00)
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Children and Gun Violence in America
What an interesting subject I didn’t know this about the British
involvement in the arms history of the USA. It made me think about the
fact that it would make sense if you invade and take over land from the
indigenous populations killing many on the way that you as a society
would be afraid of the repercussions and therefore think you need arms to
protect yourself.
I saw a similar situation in South Africa when I last visited several
years ago - huge opulent houses which looked liked prisons because they
had bars up at the windows, Alsatian dogs, burglar alarms, barbed wire
fences and prickly bushes.
In the particularly poignant scene I remember there was a line of Black
Africans opposite these houses sitting on the pavement singing. I
remember asking myself who was happier!
With the latest events at the North American Conference last October and
the ensuing articles that came from it on slavery and other themes
(appearing in the latest Knowing Field Journal) maybe the time is ripe to
begin looking at this thorny issue worldwide
We in Britain have so far only scratched the surface but some of us will
be inviting Anngwyn to Bristol in Oct this year to begin looking at this
more deeply for ourselves and would welcome anyone to join us. Please
contact me personally if you wish to go on the mailing list.
Bristol has a strong connection with the history of the slave trade as a
major port involved in shipping the slaves.
Constellations are a powerful tool for helping us begin to address these
very painful issues and face up to our history.
Warm wishes to all
Barbara
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On 23 Feb 2018, at 20:53, Leah leah@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Nina,
Thank you for looking into this. An email in my inbox this morning from
Rabbi Michael Lerner speaks to your question: “In a society which has
never acknowledged its violent foundation, from the genocide of Native
peoples, to slavery, the violent overthrow of governments around the
world in order to impose regimes that favor U.S. corporate interests,
its brutal war against the Vietnamese people, its recruitment of young
people into a pre-army ROTC, and its romanticization in movies and T.V.
of super weapons and violence, it is no surprise that it is easy to
convince men that "real men" use weapons and violence to get their way
in the world.”
I also wonder about the American Revolution and the creation of the USA.
One of the key factors in the American Revolution was the fight against
British intentions to disarm the colonists – that’s what would have
happened if Britain had won the war. It’s a fascinating piece of history
that I’m not sure many of us picked up in U.S. history in high school...
I remember the focus was mostly that the colonists rebelled due to
unfair taxation. But the British would have disarmed the colonists and
created a permanent standing army. The majority of the colonists
believed in the right to bear arms and that no government or authority
should have control over this right. All of the colonies actually had
laws requiring males to own guns: “Among the Colonial militia statutes,
Connecticut's 1650 code contains one of the clearest expressions of the
duty to own a gun: “That all persons that are above the age of sixteene
yeares, except magistrates and church officers, shall beare arms...; and
every male person with this jurisdiction, above the said age, shall have
in continuall readines, a good muskitt or other gunn, fitt for service,
and allowed by the clark of the band....” (source:
http://www.tulprpc.org/attachments/File/Colonial_Firearms_regulation..pdf)
The USA was not just born from a violent revolution, but the right to
bear arms seems to have been the issue that finally precipitated the
full-on revolt. Another interesting fact: it’s estimated that 15-25% of
the population during the American Revolution (300,000 - 500,000), loyal
to the British crown, migrated and settled in Canada.
The Yale research was shockingly high and has been criticized for
including young adults up to age 19 in a research project on “children”.
The CDC defines “children” as 0-14 years of age. I guess that when you
include young adults, it raises questions of much wider circumstances
around the incidents.
(https://www.theblaze.com/news/2014/01/31/theblaze-fact-checks-abc-did-diane-sawyer-use-misleading-stats-in-2020-report-on-children-and-guns)
I’ve had limited experience with this issue in Constellations. I’m
interested to hear if anyone has any insights from their constellations,
or plans to address it?
Many thanks,
Leah Green
From: <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of
"ninaishtar@xxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 7:05 PM
To: <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Children and Gun Violence in America
Hi Everyone
I am from Western Australia, a new comer still establishing my work in
this
field. I am wondering if anyone has done any constellation work that has
touched upon gun violence and children in America? I have been
commenting on
an interesting discussion on Facebook about a video of a young American
girl
who looks about 10/ 11 receiving her first rifle, it seems from her
parents.
She is so overwhelmed with emotion she is in tears. The discussion was
around the culture of American families and hunting. How this girl may
have
been experiencing the strong emotion due to the "gift" representing
something like a rite of passage; old enough to be trusted with her first
rifle. The recent protests in America in relation to school massacres
stimulated this topic and sharing.
I just read a 2014 Guardian article about the culture of American
families
and hunting. It quotes that 3000 children die each year from hunting
accidents. A Yale University study reports 7000 children are either
admitted
to hospital with serious injuries or die from hunting accidents each
year in
America. These figures do not of course include street violence, domestic
violence and school massacres. If this behaviour is so strongly apart of
the
family institution in America I do wonder what the roots of this are all
about. The right to bear arms and hunt freely even if it's killing and
injuring lots of children, who in fact are not living in a war zone. No
disrespect to American culture but this stuns me.
Any experiences?
Thanks
Nina Ishtar
Denmark Western Australia
MC900023779[1]
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