Re: [ConstellationTalk] Constellation experience with transgender issues?

  • From: Michael Reddy <michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 12:19:50 -0500

Hi All,
Another lovely thread.  Thank you all.  :-)
It pointed out that sexual preference and gender identity are separate spectra, as opposed to black and white dualties.  All sorts of possible combinations as people show up comfortable in different places on these two.   That felt sense can sometimes shift, but I agree it needs to be honored. And also that some who feel oppositely gendered really don't want to change their bodies at all, whereas others do.
It mentioned various possible origins of discrepancies between body and felt sense of gender. Birth family and ancestral loyalties or rejections, unfinished past life business.  Just want to add a few thoughts.
The term "vanished twins" has been replaced in research and clinical practice by "womb twins."  Two important books are:

Womb Twin Survivors: The Lost Twin in the Dream of the WombMar 1, 2011 by Althea Margaret Hayton
A Healing Path for Womb Twin SurvivorsNov 27, 2012 by Althea Margaret Hayton

A large research project looked at a few hundred people who could prove that they lost a twin in the womb.  Out of that came all sorts of charateristic strengths and weaknesses of such survivors.  But one of the large issues is gender identity when the twin who died was of opposite gender to the body of the survivor.  So this is another important possible origin of "gender disphoria."
There is much in both the books above that is valuable to know about in the work we do.  Amazing reflections in the life of the survivor of a wide range of ways in which one egg implanted and split, or two egs implanted separately or near each other (sharing one placenta), and when and how the non-survivor passed on.  Some survivors actually have DNA from their lost womb partner.
In terms of language, I have found it valuable in this context to use the terms "person in a male body," and "person in a female body."  "Man" and "woman" carry with them all sorts of connotative baggage, from physical to social.  It's also true that we would see genuine biological hermaphrodites if doctors these days did not impose "corrective" measures on parents of such babies.
I remember in several early trainings problems around some clients not being allowed to stand with the "male" or "female" ancestral lines based on being in the opposite body.  That is, you must stand with the ancestral line your body belongs to, not your "felt sense."  I hope that hard line is softening up now.
For an landmark study of the role of such people in indigenous tribes in the US and Mexico before the white missionaries slaughtered such people especially, see
The Spirit and the Fleshby Walter Williams

Many became the priest/priestesses, shamans and so on.  Gay warrior pairs in either body type were some of the fiercest fighters.  
Much love to all here,Michael
Michael Reddy, PhDCPC, ELI-MPmichael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx   610 469 7588www.reddyworks.comRelieving Chronic Emotional/Physical Suffering usingFamily Constellations | Core Energy Coaching | EFT | Shamanism


On Feb 23, 2017, at 6:36 AM, 'Jennifer Altman' jennifer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 
Hello Anne and everyone. I’ve followed this thread with much interest and am moved by the rich experiences reported. While accepting that everyone’s experience is different, from my own experience I have long felt that sexual identity issues can have systemic roots, as well recognising that gender is much more fluid than has traditionally been taught.  I too am in my 70s,female As a child I had a very strong conviction that I should have been a boy but growing up in the ‘40s and ‘50s I had no idea that sexual transitioning was possible, let alone an option. The first constellation I did gave me insight into this conviction, although It was not the issue I was setting up. My paternal grandfather was Jewish, born in Belarus and migrated to the UK in 1900. My father, the first of his 4 children, married ‘out’, to an Anglican English woman, and my grandparents cut off all communication with my parents until I was born 3 years later. I was their first grandchild. In the constellation, my grandfather’s representative, who had been showing rejection of my father’s rep. said disgustedly: “And he cant even produce a boy”. I understood from this that my desire to be a boy came out of an entanglement with my grandfather, trying to satisfy his disappointment (this wasn’t his only one!) – and perhaps to protect my father too. (When I spoke about this experience in a supervision group, another woman said she had a strong image of her father’s shop with the family’s name followed by ‘and Son’ – when she was an only child – and felt this had influenced her experience of her sexuality).  When  I was 11, my mother gave birth to a boy and an aunt and uncle both had boys (with Jewish spouses). Although I struggled with puberty, I became more accepting of being a woman – perhaps because now there were boys in the family, the pressure for me to fulfil that role diminished. Even so, I pursued a career in scientific research until I was in my 50s – a very male dominated domain – and decided not to have children. I find the contemporary term ‘gender fluid’ very helpful and wonder how my life would have been if I had been born a few decades later. But I am concerned that many children are now being supported to transition without exploration of the entanglements that may lie behind their gender dysphoria.      I wish you well in your work with your client.

 

Jen Altman



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