Re: [ConstellationTalk] Digest Number 1685

  • From: Ingala Robl Greis <ingalarobl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, VICTOR VELASCO <diplomadoconstelaciones@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:38:24 -0600

Dear Victor, 

Thank you for your congratulations and kind words, and I send you our
congratulations for having collaborated with Family Constellations to
receive its good place in Mexico.

It was with great pleasure and pride that we received the formal validation
of our 2-year academic program (which is opening the XIVth generation at our
Institute) as a university career for Family Constellators at the same time
as Raquel Schlosser, who was student of the first generation that I started
in México in 1994/95.

Particularly the students of this first generation have opened a great many
institutes which are continuing the work of Bert Hellinger, amongst them
Raquel´s Institute, formerly the Bert Hellinger Institute, now the Instituto
de Estudios Transgeneracionales, which has been working with a high academic
standard also during all these years.

I know the work which was involved receiving this validation and am very
happy that the Ministry of Eduaction has finally given Family
Constellations, and Bert Hellinger, the academic status which both deserve.

At Centro de Constelaciones Familiares SOWELU, A.C., we send you all our
best wishes to receive the formal recognition of Family Constellations in
your respective countries, and do hope that our validation will help you to
achieve yours. 

Many thanks to all of you who have sent their congratulations!

Ingala Robl (México)


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 Hi Ingala,
this is heart and mind warming news! Congratulations and all the
best! May you continue to make dreams come true (that all of us can
bath in), Sneh

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 Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:10 pm        (PST)
 
 

 HI INGALA, CONGRATULATIONS, with your  validation, MEXICO could be very 
proud , because  in the country would have two master degree  formations,
because  also, the   "INSTITUTO DE ESTUDIOS TRANSGENERACIONALES", directed by
Raquel Schlosser ( the former Bert hellinger Institute) , obtained  has the
recognition of the Ministry  of Education (Secretaria de Educación Publica).
 
I am proud of being a member of the team which created 10 years ago, with
Raquel,  the first programm of formation in Constellations and I
recognoize your work in thios field.
 
VICTOR VELASCO 
   
 
 
 
   
 

--- El jue 23-dic-10, Ingala Robl Greis <ingalarobl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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De: Ingala Robl Greis <ingalarobl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Asunto: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Digest Number 1682
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Fecha: jueves, 23 de diciembre de 2010, 12:53

  

Dear All: 

All of us, at Centro de Constelaciones Familiares SOWELU, A.C.,
(Mexico-City) wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy Holiday Season, as well
as the best for the Year 2011!

Also, I want to share with you that I received my Master degree with my
thesis: ³Comparative Analysis between Systemic Family Therapy and Systemic
Family Configurations².

Last but not least, a week ago, our 2-year-training in Systemic Family
Configurations has been validated by the Mexican Ministry of Education as a
university formation to obtain the Master degree.

We are very happy that Family Constellations is turning into a university
career. 

Sincerely Yours, 

Ingala Robl, M.A.

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1.1. Re: Research on Constellations - Results <#1.1> From: Menis
Yousry 1.2. Re: Research on Constellations - Results <#1.2> From:
Michael Reddy 1.3. Re: Research on Constellations - Results <#1.3> From:
Ellen Pillard 1.4. Re: Research on Constellations - Results- Galina
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10/01/2011) <#2> From: Linda Nayna 3a. Re: Research Into
Constellations <#3a> From: David Mathes 3b. Re: Research Into
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Thank you for this it is very inspiring

Menis

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On 22 Dec 2010, at 04:44, Galina Thomas wrote:

Dear all,

If you recall, while ago I asked for help in conducting research on
Constellations.
Once again - I am deeply grateful to all who offered their help.
Results are now in; I've completed my thesis. In my (not too modest :)
opinion results are quite amazing.
If you are interested, you can view the complete thesis here:
http://www.and-so-it-is.com/thesis/GThomas_MFTThesis2010.pdf
If you want to see just methodology and results, you can view just
chapters
3 and 4. 

Sincerely,
Galina Thomas, MFTI
Los Angeles, CA

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Galina,

Have just skimmed your thesis, and it looks like a thoughtful and
valuable document. Thanks so much for sharing it. I'l be reading it
more carefully over the holidays.

Maybe we can talk if you attend the Judith Hemming training Ed Lynch
is sponsoring in Connecticut in January.

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Michael
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Congrats, Galina. Can you send me a summary of your results?

Ellen Pillard

From: Galina Thomas <galinat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 8:44:01 PM
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Research on Constellations - Results

Dear all,

If you recall, while ago I asked for help in conducting research on
Constellations.
Once again - I am deeply grateful to all who offered their help.
Results are now in; I've completed my thesis. In my (not too modest :)
opinion
results are quite amazing.
If you are interested, you can view the complete thesis here:
http://www.and-so-it-is.com/thesis/GThomas_MFTThesis2010.pdf
If you want to see just methodology and results, you can view just chapters
3
and 4. 

Sincerely,
Galina Thomas, MFTI
Los Angeles, CA

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Hi Galina,
Thank you very much for the information. Actually we are a group of
facilitators 
in Romania who are interested in research on constellation efectiveness.
I have a collegue who is preparing her PH.D thesis on this issue.
I will share with her your findings.

Ion Bucur
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Facilitator  Constelatii familiale
0722461182
www.constelatiifamiliale.ro

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Thank you for this it is very inspiring

Menis

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On 22 Dec 2010, at 04:44, Galina Thomas wrote:

Dear all,

If you recall, while ago I asked for help in conducting research on
Constellations.
Once again - I am deeply grateful to all who offered their help.
Results are now in; I've completed my thesis. In my (not too modest :)
opinion 
results are quite amazing.
If you are interested, you can view the complete thesis here:
http://www.and-so-it-is.com/thesis/GThomas_MFTThesis2010.pdf
If you want to see just methodology and results, you can view just
chapters

and 4. 


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Dear Friends,

Thanks for this thread on Research, I think it is very important.

I enjoyed reading the research papers.

I am thinking that the way we research Constellations is to use methods of
analysis, where we focus on a part of the system (how was it for the
client)
or we test a hypothesis. Maybe I am wrong, I am not an expert on research!
I
would appreciate the views of those who kindly have shared their research.

Since Constellations are Systemic work, I wonder how we could research the
System, in addition to a particular aspect of it. Maybe we need to develop
a
systemic research methodology. Does this type of approach exist now? What
guides me in saying this is that the effects of Constellations maybe allot
wider than we think, so much is out of our awareness. It would be useful to
become aware of what we are not so aware of.

I am imagining that the flavour of 'Systemic' research is broad. For
example,
what are the effects on Facilitators, their families, representatives and
their families, even the workshop space, the chairs, and people who use the
spaces later, and nature. Since we work with energy, the boundaries or the
Systemic limits are probably much wider than we think.

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David Mathes

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Hi David

Indigenous researchers have come up with some pretty interesting
methodologies
that address some of the inclusions that you mention. Two that I really
respect are Shawn Wilson - 'Research is Ceremony' who is Cree, and Karen
Lilian Martin ' Please knock before you enter' an Aboriginal Australian.
There are many others if you google Indigenous Research Methodology.

Kind Regards

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Dear Friends,

Thanks for this thread on Research, I think it is very important.

I enjoyed reading the research papers.

I am thinking that the way we research Constellations is to use methods of
analysis, where we focus on a part of the system (how was it for the
client)
or we test a hypothesis. Maybe I am wrong, I am not an expert on research!
I
would appreciate the views of those who kindly have shared their research.

Since Constellations are Systemic work, I wonder how we could research the
System, in addition to a particular aspect of it. Maybe we need to develop
a
systemic research methodology. Does this type of approach exist now? What
guides me in saying this is that the effects of Constellations maybe allot
wider than we think, so much is out of our awareness. It would be useful to
become aware of what we are not so aware of.

I am imagining that the flavour of 'Systemic' research is broad. For
example,
what are the effects on Facilitators, their families, representatives and
their families, even the workshop space, the chairs, and people who use the
spaces later, and nature. Since we work with energy, the boundaries or the
Systemic limits are probably much wider than we think.

Best wishes to all.

David Mathes

www.innersuccess.net.au

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 Dear Friends,

Sometimes you don't realise something until you look back.  I think 
Constellation research has has been my main focus in the last 2 years and 
continues to be. I try to learn what is a Constellation, how does it work, 
what are the effects. 

The search repeatedly throws up many questions about destiny, energy, 
facilitator health, permission, and what is in the system.

On a practical level. if we take a step back from seeing the effect on the 
'client' as the current research seems to do, maybe it would be good to look 
at the effects of the Constellation process itself. 

For example who is the client? We know that you don't have to do your 
Constellation to be very effected at a workshop. We often assume it is 
because 
that people have their own issue triggered. But often we tend to say this, 
not 
them. They might say "It feels like I have done my Constellation, but I never 
even represented, I  just sat here in the circle". It seems that the 
Constellation accesses energies, even before we 'formally' start. I recently 
had a situation where the Constellation seemed to start when a referring 
Therapist mentioned the word 'Constellation' to a client referred to a 
workshop. The word Constellation seems to have the ability to invoke 
something, as it must, because it exists and is part of the System.

Recently participants at workshops have been feeling as though they know each 
other, as some deep level, as they meet each other at the start of the 
workshop. So how does the group form, and how is the facilitator connected to 
the group that forms. Are there things we are not aware of what attracts a 
certain group together? I am thinking not just at the level of projection 
here.

Energy. Obviously energy is in the room. Whose energy is it? We like to think 
it comes from the clients system, but is that true? Does it also come from 
the 
facilitator, the other participants and from energy at the venue and the 
land/nature. Does the Constellation access these energies as well? After we 
finish the workshop, what happens to all this energy, does it return to the 
right place? When a representative feels they are still representing a few 
days later, we might do some exercise to help them let go of something and 
come back to themselves, but maybe the energy from the Constellation is still 
coming to them.  Once a Constellation starts it is always there, we should be 
used to that by now, as the elements we work with are always there.

The other area of research is with my health, and the effects on my 
relationships, and my children, who have never been to a workshop.

Best wishes to all.

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