Dear Chris,
I am catching up with the last news on ConstellationTalk because of the Holiday
Season, and came across your posting on the Intensive in Australia. It was
lovely to read about it and especially about the work of Marianne with whom we
have built a training program here in Mexico and know the depth of her work.
Also, as an organizer myself of Intensives and congresses, I can appreciate the
effort you and your people have put into this event that has already caused a
beautiful thread of thoughts and discussions. Congratulations!
On the other hand, it would have been nice to have received information about
your Intensive beforehand. I do respect that this is a forum for discussions
but perhaps there might be a discrete way, a link or a calendar for these
events, so that more people can get information in time to make plans to assist
if they choose to do so. It is just a suggestion to be more informed and
connected.
Again, dear Chris and all the people who worked to make this happen,
congratulations and all the best for this New Year 2014!
Ingala Robl, México
VIIth International Congress
"Coming together and connecting"
7 - 9 March 2014
www.encuentrosowelu.com
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9 New MessagesDigest #2386
1aAustralasian Intensive by "Chris Walsh" constellationflow
1bRe: Australasian Intensive by "Irene Davey"
1cRe: Australasian Intensive by "Brigitte Kupfer"
1dRe: Australasian Intensive by "Joanna Malinowska" malinowska_joanna
1eRe: Australasian Intensive by "Chris Walsh" constellationflow
1fRe: Australasian Intensive by "Zaquie Meredith"
1gRe: Australasian Intensive by "sheila saunders" pazwthn
1hRe: Australasian Intensive by "Milagros Carmona"
1iRe: Australasian Intensive by "Anutoshf Foo"
Messages
1aAustralasian Intensive
Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:55 pm (PST) . Posted by:"Chris Walsh" constellationflowHi
all
We just finished a wonderful training intensive for the Australasian region
in Sydney. We were serenaded by kookaburras every day. Many took a short
stroll down to the beach to swim in the Pacific ocean and we all swam in
the knowing field under the guidance of our wonderful international
presenters, Judith Hemming, Marianne Franke, Francesca Mason-Boring, Bill
Mannle, Gordon Wheeler and Nancy Lunney- Wheeler. We also had special
guests Michael Knorr and Tanja Vieten leading us with Tango constellations
as well as various local presenters.
We had some beautiful morning rituals. One that seemed to especially touch
all of us was the men's healing circle with the women outside observing.
Thank you Bill Mannle for leading such a moving experience for us all. The
women too were deeply moved by this.
We all walked away with our own special learnings. One deepening that was
really important for me came from Marianne Franke. From her I learnt the
importance of a mother blessing her children to grow and move away from her
influence. I learnt that this move is an act of incredible generosity and
courage on the part of the mother. While it makes the child's transition
into adulthood so much easier, it costs the mother enormously. It is like a
second birth. The first birth causes the mother a great deal of physical
pain and suffering which, of course, is ideally balanced by the joy of
holding a healthy baby in her arms. This second birth causes the mother
great pain and suffering on the emotional and soul level as she experiences
her child moving away from her. This is hopefully balanced by the joy of
seeing her child thriving as a capable adult in the adult world. Until I
sat with this experience at a soul level, I had no idea of how huge this is
for mothers. I had no idea of the degree of emotional strength and maturity
that is necessary for a mother to do this well - to bless the child so
he/she feels free to move away. So now I have another thing to be grateful
to mothers for and another thing to be compassionate about when the mother
finds that tasks too demanding to do well. This lesson now sits deep in my
heart.
I never cease to be amazed at the new learnings, insights and experiences
that bubble up in constellation work. and I am very grateful to the other
organisers of this event Maria Dolenc, Jonine Lee, Frank Breuer and Dean
Mason as well as all those who in some way helped to bring this wonderful
event together - this event that provided such rich experiences and
learnings. I also salute anyone who organises similar events around the
world. Not only do these events enrich people's lives they also require a
lot of time and hard work to organise. So thank you all.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
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1bRe: Australasian Intensive
Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:40 pm (PST) . Posted by:"Irene Davey"Chris this is really
lovely, I am curious though as to how the mother does this. Is it a special
ceremony the mother 'does' with her child, is it something the mother does
internally for herself, is or does the child have to be aware of this process
and is there an age range when the mother might perform this ceremony?
thanks
Irene
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:55:38 +1100
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Australasian Intensive
Hi all
We just finished a wonderful training intensive for the Australasian region
in Sydney. We were serenaded by kookaburras every day. Many took a short
stroll down to the beach to swim in the Pacific ocean and we all swam in the
knowing field under the guidance of our wonderful international presenters,
Judith Hemming, Marianne Franke, Francesca Mason-Boring, Bill Mannle, Gordon
Wheeler and Nancy Lunney- Wheeler. We also had special guests Michael Knorr
and Tanja Vieten leading us with Tango constellations as well as various
local presenters.
We had some beautiful morning rituals. One that seemed to especially touch
all of us was the men's healing circle with the women outside observing.
Thank you Bill Mannle for leading such a moving experience for us all. The
women too were deeply moved by this.
We all walked away with our own special learnings. One deepening that was
really important for me came from Marianne Franke. From her I learnt the
importance of a mother blessing her children to grow and move away from her
influence. I learnt that this move is an act of incredible generosity and
courage on the part of the mother. While it makes the child's transition into
adulthood so much easier, it costs the mother enormously. It is like a second
birth. The first birth causes the mother a great deal of physical pain and
suffering which, of course, is ideally balanced by the joy of holding a
healthy baby in her arms. This second birth causes the mother great pain and
suffering on the emotional and soul level as she experiences her child moving
away from her. This is hopefully balanced by the joy of seeing her child
thriving as a capable adult in the adult world. Until I sat with this
experience at a soul level, I had no idea of how huge this is for mothers. I
had no idea of the degree of emotional strength and maturity that is
necessary for a mother to do this well - to bless the child so he/she feels
free to move away. So now I have another thing to be grateful to mothers for
and another thing to be compassionate about when the mother finds that tasks
too demanding to do well. This lesson now sits deep in my heart.
I never cease to be amazed at the new learnings, insights and experiences
that bubble up in constellation work. and I am very grateful to the other
organisers of this event Maria Dolenc, Jonine Lee, Frank Breuer and Dean
Mason as well as all those who in some way helped to bring this wonderful
event together - this event that provided such rich experiences and
learnings. I also salute anyone who organises similar events around the
world. Not only do these events enrich people's lives they also require a lot
of time and hard work to organise. So thank you all.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
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1cRe: Australasian Intensive
Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:07 pm (PST) . Posted by:"Brigitte Kupfer"Thanks Chris,
for this acknowledgment of "the mother" and the "invisble obvious".
Irene, I "beg you to be patient with the unresolved questions in your
heart" like R.M. Rilke advises and not to put the question out to
"authorities" in the field who might tell the mother about "the mother".
Let's stay with the question a little bit longer before we put them in the
jail of concepts like certain rituals, ceremonies and age ranges. A mother
who loves her child(ren) needs to practice the art of nurturing by
practicing the art of letting go as a lifelong principle. This is always
painful and of course not "seen" and not wanted in a culture which wants to
avoid and prevent pain at any cost.
Best wishes
Brigitte
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Irene Davey
<toast_is_great@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
Chris this is really lovely, I am curious though as to how the mother does
this. Is it a special ceremony the mother 'does' with her child, is it
something the mother does internally for herself, is or does the child have
to be aware of this process and is there an age range when the mother might
perform this ceremony?
thanks
Irene
------------------------------
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:55:38 +1100
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Australasian Intensive
Hi all
We just finished a wonderful training intensive for the Australasian
region in Sydney. We were serenaded by kookaburras every day. Many took a
short stroll down to the beach to swim in the Pacific ocean and we all swam
in the knowing field under the guidance of our wonderful international
presenters, Judith Hemming, Marianne Franke, Francesca Mason-Boring, Bill
Mannle, Gordon Wheeler and Nancy Lunney- Wheeler. We also had special
guests Michael Knorr and Tanja Vieten leading us with Tango constellations
as well as various local presenters.
We had some beautiful morning rituals. One that seemed to especially touch
all of us was the men's healing circle with the women outside observing.
Thank you Bill Mannle for leading such a moving experience for us all. The
women too were deeply moved by this.
We all walked away with our own special learnings. One deepening that was
really important for me came from Marianne Franke. From her I learnt the
importance of a mother blessing her children to grow and move away from her
influence. I learnt that this move is an act of incredible generosity and
courage on the part of the mother. While it makes the child's transition
into adulthood so much easier, it costs the mother enormously. It is like a
second birth. The first birth causes the mother a great deal of physical
pain and suffering which, of course, is ideally balanced by the joy of
holding a healthy baby in her arms. This second birth causes the mother
great pain and suffering on the emotional and soul level as she experiences
her child moving away from her. This is hopefully balanced by the joy of
seeing her child thriving as a capable adult in the adult world. Until I
sat with this experience at a soul level, I had no idea of how huge this is
for mothers. I had no idea of the degree of emotional strength and maturity
that is necessary for a mother to do this well - to bless the child so
he/she feels free to move away. So now I have another thing to be grateful
to mothers for and another thing to be compassionate about when the mother
finds that tasks too demanding to do well. This lesson now sits deep in my
heart.
I never cease to be amazed at the new learnings, insights and experiences
that bubble up in constellation work. and I am very grateful to the other
organisers of this event Maria Dolenc, Jonine Lee, Frank Breuer and Dean
Mason as well as all those who in some way helped to bring this wonderful
event together - this event that provided such rich experiences and
learnings. I also salute anyone who organises similar events around the
world. Not only do these events enrich people's lives they also require a
lot of time and hard work to organise. So thank you all.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
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1dRe: Australasian Intensive
Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:22 pm (PST) . Posted by:"Joanna Malinowska"
malinowska_joannaDear Chris,
Yes, I am absolutely grateful for this unspeakable experience of
Australasian Intense, for every moment there, and this enormous effort it
took to put it together. After the first Australasian Intense I thought
nothing could be even that good, and here we are, the second one was
another miracle, and also different. Many, many thanks to all organizers
and contributors.
Now I would challenge the pain and suffering of mother letting her children
leave into the adulthood. It may be the case, but it may not. I am a mother
and I have three adult children, I do not remember anything then joy when
they were growing and becoming adults, and leaving us to be with their
beloved. Mother's love is unconditional, and it means that it does not need
anything in return, not even presence of your children.
Yet it may become painful when there is an entanglement in the family, the
confusion, when the child is not in the role of the child but in the role
of parent's parent or husband. There is pain then, and it is important to
see where everybody stands, letting the confusion and entanglements go.
Having some ceremony to celebrate moving of child into adulthood makes
sense, but assuming pain not, and creating unnecessary drama were there may
be a joy is not very helpful. Especially on the SOUL level. Perhaps there
are some tears and entanglements on emotional level, but soul is always
happy when the life moves forward, the same way as there is a physical pain
and perhaps sometimes anxiety when the child is born, but always joy on the
soul level.
Every soul, every person is different, and even if there are patterns, even
those patterns are unique and not always true.
With Love
Joanna
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Irene Davey
<toast_is_great@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
Chris this is really lovely, I am curious though as to how the mother does
this. Is it a special ceremony the mother 'does' with her child, is it
something the mother does internally for herself, is or does the child have
to be aware of this process and is there an age range when the mother might
perform this ceremony?
thanks
Irene
------------------------------
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:55:38 +1100
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Australasian Intensive
Hi all
We just finished a wonderful training intensive for the Australasian
region in Sydney. We were serenaded by kookaburras every day. Many took a
short stroll down to the beach to swim in the Pacific ocean and we all swam
in the knowing field under the guidance of our wonderful international
presenters, Judith Hemming, Marianne Franke, Francesca Mason-Boring, Bill
Mannle, Gordon Wheeler and Nancy Lunney- Wheeler. We also had special
guests Michael Knorr and Tanja Vieten leading us with Tango constellations
as well as various local presenters.
We had some beautiful morning rituals. One that seemed to especially touch
all of us was the men's healing circle with the women outside observing.
Thank you Bill Mannle for leading such a moving experience for us all. The
women too were deeply moved by this.
We all walked away with our own special learnings. One deepening that was
really important for me came from Marianne Franke. From her I learnt the
importance of a mother blessing her children to grow and move away from her
influence. I learnt that this move is an act of incredible generosity and
courage on the part of the mother. While it makes the child's transition
into adulthood so much easier, it costs the mother enormously. It is like a
second birth. The first birth causes the mother a great deal of physical
pain and suffering which, of course, is ideally balanced by the joy of
holding a healthy baby in her arms. This second birth causes the mother
great pain and suffering on the emotional and soul level as she experiences
her child moving away from her. This is hopefully balanced by the joy of
seeing her child thriving as a capable adult in the adult world. Until I
sat with this experience at a soul level, I had no idea of how huge this is
for mothers. I had no idea of the degree of emotional strength and maturity
that is necessary for a mother to do this well - to bless the child so
he/she feels free to move away. So now I have another thing to be grateful
to mothers for and another thing to be compassionate about when the mother
finds that tasks too demanding to do well. This lesson now sits deep in my
heart.
I never cease to be amazed at the new learnings, insights and experiences
that bubble up in constellation work. and I am very grateful to the other
organisers of this event Maria Dolenc, Jonine Lee, Frank Breuer and Dean
Mason as well as all those who in some way helped to bring this wonderful
event together - this event that provided such rich experiences and
learnings. I also salute anyone who organises similar events around the
world. Not only do these events enrich people's lives they also require a
lot of time and hard work to organise. So thank you all.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
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Clinical Hypnotherapist
www.myhypno.com.au
www.self-hypnosis.com.au
Mobile 0412 092 972
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1eRe: Australasian Intensive
Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:24 am (PST) . Posted by:"Chris Walsh"
constellationflowDear Irene
I don't know how a mother really does this. It is something that I am only
just tuning in to at a deeper level and I certainly only have direct
experience from the point of view of the child.
I guess sorting out entanglements where the mother is looking to the child
to fulfil her emotional needs would be important. I imagine it would be
easier if the mother has learned to receive fully from her own parents. I
suppose it would also be easier if she has the support of the father of the
child and is able to give him a good place in her heart.
I imagine a constellation scenario where the mother bows before the child's
adult fate for better or for worse and then blesses the child to step
toward that fate. If that produces too much anxiety then the mother would
need to get other supports around her such as her own parents and ancestors
and perhaps the father of the child. In the end all of these thoughts are
just musings and would need to be tested in the real world. I am sure there
are mothers who subscribe to this group who have had difficulties with this
and then found a way. Hopefully some of them might share their experiences.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Irene Davey
<toast_is_great@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
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Chris this is really lovely, I am curious though as to how the mother does
this. Is it a special ceremony the mother 'does' with her child, is it
something the mother does internally for herself, is or does the child have
to be aware of this process and is there an age range when the mother might
perform this ceremony?
thanks
Irene
------------------------------
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:55:38 +1100
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Australasian Intensive
Hi all
We just finished a wonderful training intensive for the Australasian
region in Sydney. We were serenaded by kookaburras every day. Many took a
short stroll down to the beach to swim in the Pacific ocean and we all swam
in the knowing field under the guidance of our wonderful international
presenters, Judith Hemming, Marianne Franke, Francesca Mason-Boring, Bill
Mannle, Gordon Wheeler and Nancy Lunney- Wheeler. We also had special
guests Michael Knorr and Tanja Vieten leading us with Tango constellations
as well as various local presenters.
We had some beautiful morning rituals. One that seemed to especially touch
all of us was the men's healing circle with the women outside observing.
Thank you Bill Mannle for leading such a moving experience for us all. The
women too were deeply moved by this.
We all walked away with our own special learnings. One deepening that was
really important for me came from Marianne Franke. From her I learnt the
importance of a mother blessing her children to grow and move away from her
influence. I learnt that this move is an act of incredible generosity and
courage on the part of the mother. While it makes the child's transition
into adulthood so much easier, it costs the mother enormously. It is like a
second birth. The first birth causes the mother a great deal of physical
pain and suffering which, of course, is ideally balanced by the joy of
holding a healthy baby in her arms. This second birth causes the mother
great pain and suffering on the emotional and soul level as she experiences
her child moving away from her. This is hopefully balanced by the joy of
seeing her child thriving as a capable adult in the adult world. Until I
sat with this experience at a soul level, I had no idea of how huge this is
for mothers. I had no idea of the degree of emotional strength and maturity
that is necessary for a mother to do this well - to bless the child so
he/she feels free to move away. So now I have another thing to be grateful
to mothers for and another thing to be compassionate about when the mother
finds that tasks too demanding to do well. This lesson now sits deep in my
heart.
I never cease to be amazed at the new learnings, insights and experiences
that bubble up in constellation work. and I am very grateful to the other
organisers of this event Maria Dolenc, Jonine Lee, Frank Breuer and Dean
Mason as well as all those who in some way helped to bring this wonderful
event together - this event that provided such rich experiences and
learnings. I also salute anyone who organises similar events around the
world. Not only do these events enrich people's lives they also require a
lot of time and hard work to organise. So thank you all.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
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1fRe: Australasian Intensive
Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:57 am (PST) . Posted by:"Zaquie Meredith"Well,
congratulations for your intensive…even being so far away…in Brazil I
can " hear " the excitement and magic of it.
As to the mothers job…Irene…I can only speak for myself. When my son went
away..it wasn't easy for me…but soon I realized the importance of letting
him go.
The importance of wishing him well and not thinking so much of him…not
worrying…I guess a thought "holds" a person…so when I realized this…I let
him go.
Now, I pray, I wish him well but I don't think of what he is doing. Whatever
he is doing I bless him and for me that is how I let him go.
Of course I got so occupied with my own life…and this has worked wonders for
me. The attachment is there, the love is there very strong…but no emotional
interference…
You see before I used to think that I knew all the best for him and that it
was my job to tell him how to lead his life. Step by step. Now I understand
he, too, has to learn from his own steps.
I am here. If he wants I am here to help – but…letting go…is a wonderful
feeling when you understand there is nothing that separates us. The bond is
invisible. It is always there. No fear.
Zaquie C Meredith
Socióloga, Consteladora e Psicoterapeuta
http://www.zaquie.com/
Autora dos Livros: "O Que Você Precisa Saber” / “A Consciência das Sensações
e Constelações” / “É a Fé que sustenta o Pássaro”
Linkedin: http://br.linkedin.com/in/zaquie
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/zaquie.meredith
Twitter: http://twitter.com/zaquiemeredith
Dear Irene
I don't know how a mother really does this. It is something that I am only
just tuning in to at a deeper level and I certainly only have direct
experience from the point of view of the child.
I guess sorting out entanglements where the mother is looking to the child
to fulfil her emotional needs would be important. I imagine it would be
easier if the mother has learned to receive fully from her own parents. I
suppose it would also be easier if she has the support of the father of the
child and is able to give him a good place in her heart.
I imagine a constellation scenario where the mother bows before the child's
adult fate for better or for worse and then blesses the child to step toward
that fate. If that produces too much anxiety then the mother would need to
get other supports around her such as her own parents and ancestors and
perhaps the father of the child. In the end all of these thoughts are just
musings and would need to be tested in the real world. I am sure there are
mothers who subscribe to this group who have had difficulties with this and
then found a way. Hopefully some of them might share their experiences.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au <http://www.cwalsh.com.au>
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Irene Davey <toast_is_great@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Chris this is really lovely, I am curious though as to how the mother does
this. Is it a special ceremony the mother 'does' with her child, is it
something the mother does internally for herself, is or does the child have
to
be aware of this process and is there an age range when the mother might
perform this ceremony?
thanks
Irene
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:55:38 +1100
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Australasian Intensive
Hi all
We just finished a wonderful training intensive for the Australasian region
in
Sydney. We were serenaded by kookaburras every day. Many took a short stroll
down to the beach to swim in the Pacific ocean and we all swam in the
knowing
field under the guidance of our wonderful international presenters, Judith
Hemming, Marianne Franke, Francesca Mason-Boring, Bill Mannle, Gordon
Wheeler
and Nancy Lunney- Wheeler. We also had special guests Michael Knorr and
Tanja
Vieten leading us with Tango constellations as well as various local
presenters.
We had some beautiful morning rituals. One that seemed to especially touch
all
of us was the men's healing circle with the women outside observing. Thank
you
Bill Mannle for leading such a moving experience for us all. The women too
were deeply moved by this.
We all walked away with our own special learnings. One deepening that was
really important for me came from Marianne Franke. From her I learnt the
importance of a mother blessing her children to grow and move away from her
influence. I learnt that this move is an act of incredible generosity and
courage on the part of the mother. While it makes the child's transition
into
adulthood so much easier, it costs the mother enormously. It is like a
second
birth. The first birth causes the mother a great deal of physical pain and
suffering which, of course, is ideally balanced by the joy of holding a
healthy baby in her arms. This second birth causes the mother great pain and
suffering on the emotional and soul level as she experiences her child
moving
away from her. This is hopefully balanced by the joy of seeing her child
thriving as a capable adult in the adult world. Until I sat with this
experience at a soul level, I had no idea of how huge this is for mothers. I
had no idea of the degree of emotional strength and maturity that is
necessary
for a mother to do this well - to bless the child so he/she feels free to
move
away. So now I have another thing to be grateful to mothers for and another
thing to be compassionate about when the mother finds that tasks too
demanding
to do well. This lesson now sits deep in my heart.
I never cease to be amazed at the new learnings, insights and experiences
that
bubble up in constellation work. and I am very grateful to the other
organisers of this event Maria Dolenc, Jonine Lee, Frank Breuer and Dean
Mason
as well as all those who in some way helped to bring this wonderful event
together - this event that provided such rich experiences and learnings. I
also salute anyone who organises similar events around the world. Not only
do
these events enrich people's lives they also require a lot of time and hard
work to organise. So thank you all.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647 <tel:%2B61%20%280%293%209487%204647>;
www.cwalsh.com.au <http://www.cwalsh.com.au/>
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1gRe: Australasian Intensive
Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:04 am (PST) . Posted by:"sheila saunders" pazwthnLoving
this thread and what you said initially, Chris. Sounds like the Intensive was
a really beautiful, fulfilling gathering. Am filled with much gratitude for
Bert and the first generation facilitators that spread constellation work
around the world. So great to see it take hold in so many places and hearts,
and to see it take root in Australia and the surrounding region. It feels
like it truly belongs there. Other places as well, but I am beaming towards
Australia at the moment! And this aspect of the mother letting go, it has
started a process in me that is very deep and moving, and I am so grateful
for it! Thanks for including such a major aspect for each of us in your
summary, Chris. xxs
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Well, congratulations for your intensiveâ•œeven being so far awayâ•œin
Brazil I can " hear " the excitement and magic of it.
As to the mothers jobâ•œIreneâ•œI can only speak for myself. When my son
went away..it wasn't easy for meâ•œbut soon I realized the importance of
letting him go.
The importance of wishing him well and not thinking so much of himâ•œnot
worryingâ•œI guess a thought "holds" a personâ•œso when I realized thisâ•œI
let him go.
Now, I pray, I wish him well but I don't think of what he is doing.
Whatever he is doing I bless him and for me that is how I let him go.
Of course I got so occupied with my own lifeâ•œand this has worked wonders
for me. The attachment is there, the love is there very strongâ•œbut no
emotional interference╜
You see before I used to think that I knew all the best for him and that it
was my job to tell him how to lead his life. Step by step. Now I understand
he, too, has to learn from his own steps.
I am here. If he wants I am here to help â•„ butâ•œletting goâ•œis a
wonderful feeling when you understand there is nothing that separates us.
The bond is invisible. It is always there. No fear.
Zaquie C Meredith
SociÓloga, Consteladora e Psicoterapeuta
http://www.zaquie.com/ ;
Autora dos Livros: "O Que Você Precisa Saber╡ / ╲A Consciência das
Sensações e Constelações╡ / ╲Ã≈ a Fé que sustenta o Pássaro╡
Linkedin: http://br.linkedin.com/in/zaquie ;
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/zaquie.meredith ;
Twitter: http://twitter.com/zaquiemeredith ;
Dear Irene
I don't know how a mother really does this. It is something that I am only
just tuning in to at a deeper level and I certainly only have direct
experience from the point of view of the child.
I guess sorting out entanglements where the mother is looking to the child
to fulfil her emotional needs would be important. I imagine it would be
easier if the mother has learned to receive fully from her own parents. I
suppose it would also be easier if she has the support of the father of the
child and is able to give him a good place in her heart.
I imagine a constellation scenario where the mother bows before the child's
adult fate for better or for worse and then blesses the child to step
toward that fate. If that produces too much anxiety then the mother would
need to get other supports around her such as her own parents and ancestors
and perhaps the father of the child. In the end all of these thoughts are
just musings and would need to be tested in the real world. I am sure there
are mothers who subscribe to this group who have had difficulties with this
and then found a way. Hopefully some of them might share their experiences.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Irene Davey <toast_is_great@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Chris this is really lovely, I am curious though as to how the mother does
this. Is it a special ceremony the mother 'does' with her child, is it
something the mother does internally for herself, is or does the child
have to be aware of this process and is there an age range when the mother
might perform this ceremony?
thanks
Irene
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:55:38 +1100
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Australasian Intensive
Hi all
We just finished a wonderful training intensive for the Australasian
region in Sydney. We were serenaded by kookaburras every day. Many took a
short stroll down to the beach to swim in the Pacific ocean and we all
swam in the knowing field under the guidance of our wonderful
international presenters, Judith Hemming, Marianne Franke, Francesca
Mason-Boring, Bill Mannle, Gordon Wheeler and Nancy Lunney- Wheeler. We
also had special guests Michael Knorr and Tanja Vieten leading us with
Tango constellations as well as various local presenters.
We had some beautiful morning rituals. One that seemed to especially touch
all of us was the men's healing circle with the women outside observing.
Thank you Bill Mannle for leading such a moving experience for us all. The
women too were deeply moved by this.
We all walked away with our own special learnings. One deepening that was
really important for me came from Marianne Franke. From her I learnt the
importance of a mother blessing her children to grow and move away from
her influence. I learnt that this move is an act of incredible generosity
and courage on the part of the mother. While it makes the child's
transition into adulthood so much easier, it costs the mother enormously.
It is like a second birth. The first birth causes the mother a great deal
of physical pain and suffering which, of course, is ideally balanced by
the joy of holding a healthy baby in her arms. This second birth causes
the mother great pain and suffering on the emotional and soul level as she
experiences her child moving away from her. This is hopefully balanced by
the joy of seeing her child thriving as a capable adult in the adult
world. Until I sat with this experience at a soul level, I had no idea of
how huge this is for mothers. I had no idea of the degree of emotional
strength and maturity that is necessary for a mother to do this well - to
bless the child so he/she feels free to move away. So now I have another
thing to be grateful to mothers for and another thing to be compassionate
about when the mother finds that tasks too demanding to do well. This
lesson now sits deep in my heart.
I never cease to be amazed at the new learnings, insights and experiences
that bubble up in constellation work. and I am very grateful to the other
organisers of this event Maria Dolenc, Jonine Lee, Frank Breuer and Dean
Mason as well as all those who in some way helped to bring this wonderful
event together - this event that provided such rich experiences and
learnings. I also salute anyone who organises similar events around the
world. Not only do these events enrich people's lives they also require a
lot of time and hard work to organise. So thank you all.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
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1hRe: Australasian Intensive
Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:58 am (PST) . Posted by:"Milagros Carmona"Thank You so
much to Chris, Mariane Franke, Irene and specially Zaquie for this sharing
about letting the children go and blessing them. I could not identifiy more
with Zaquie's words. This is exactelly what I'm going trhough right now. Just
four weeks ago, my 18 year old son left from small Portugal to Australia for
a longer period, it's the biggest possible distance from Portugal to travel,
and yet I feel nothing separates us. He is discovering life, his way, his
objectives, his inner habilities and sure his inner dificulties and I'm glad
for that.
I trust whatever he is doing and going through is right for him and me. I
don´t call or e-mail him all the time, I don't worry, I just trust.
This is all an internal process of mine, which I don't even share with him in
these terms, I just showed him with my attitudes that I believe he is doing
the right thing and that wherever he is in the world at any given time our
bond mother-child will be there, but just that, no dependence, no weight, no
blaming, no sorrow.
When I saw him leaving at the airport just his backpack (which never got to
the destination!), I could see both a child leaving and a man looking for his
own way. So I bless both the child and the adult within him.
Milagros
From: Zaquie Meredith
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:57 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Australasian Intensive
Well, congratulations for your intensive.even being so far away.in Brazil I
can " hear " the excitement and magic of it.
As to the mothers job.Irene.I can only speak for myself. When my son went
away..it wasn't easy for me.but soon I realized the importance of letting him
go.
The importance of wishing him well and not thinking so much of him.not
worrying.I guess a thought "holds" a person.so when I realized this.I let him
go.
Now, I pray, I wish him well but I don't think of what he is doing. Whatever
he is doing I bless him and for me that is how I let him go.
Of course I got so occupied with my own life.and this has worked wonders for
me. The attachment is there, the love is there very strong.but no emotional
interference.
You see before I used to think that I knew all the best for him and that it
was my job to tell him how to lead his life. Step by step. Now I understand
he, too, has to learn from his own steps.
I am here. If he wants I am here to help - but.letting go.is a wonderful
feeling when you understand there is nothing that separates us. The bond is
invisible. It is always there. No fear.
Zaquie C Meredith
Socióloga, Consteladora e Psicoterapeuta
http://www.zaquie.com/
Autora dos Livros: "O Que Você Precisa Saber" / "A Consciência das Sensações
e Constelações" / "É a Fé que sustenta o Pássaro"
Linkedin: http://br.linkedin.com/in/zaquie
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/zaquie.meredith
Twitter: http://twitter.com/zaquiemeredith
Dear Irene
I don't know how a mother really does this. It is something that I am only
just tuning in to at a deeper level and I certainly only have direct
experience from the point of view of the child.
I guess sorting out entanglements where the mother is looking to the child to
fulfil her emotional needs would be important. I imagine it would be easier
if the mother has learned to receive fully from her own parents. I suppose it
would also be easier if she has the support of the father of the child and is
able to give him a good place in her heart.
I imagine a constellation scenario where the mother bows before the child's
adult fate for better or for worse and then blesses the child to step toward
that fate. If that produces too much anxiety then the mother would need to
get other supports around her such as her own parents and ancestors and
perhaps the father of the child. In the end all of these thoughts are just
musings and would need to be tested in the real world. I am sure there are
mothers who subscribe to this group who have had difficulties with this and
then found a way. Hopefully some of them might share their experiences.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Irene Davey <toast_is_great@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Chris this is really lovely, I am curious though as to how the mother does
this. Is it a special ceremony the mother 'does' with her child, is it
something the mother does internally for herself, is or does the child have
to be aware of this process and is there an age range when the mother might
perform this ceremony?
thanks
Irene
----------------------------------------------------------
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:55:38 +1100
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Australasian Intensive
Hi all
We just finished a wonderful training intensive for the Australasian region
in Sydney. We were serenaded by kookaburras every day. Many took a short
stroll down to the beach to swim in the Pacific ocean and we all swam in the
knowing field under the guidance of our wonderful international presenters,
Judith Hemming, Marianne Franke, Francesca Mason-Boring, Bill Mannle, Gordon
Wheeler and Nancy Lunney- Wheeler. We also had special guests Michael Knorr
and Tanja Vieten leading us with Tango constellations as well as various
local presenters.
We had some beautiful morning rituals. One that seemed to especially touch
all of us was the men's healing circle with the women outside observing.
Thank you Bill Mannle for leading such a moving experience for us all. The
women too were deeply moved by this.
We all walked away with our own special learnings. One deepening that was
really important for me came from Marianne Franke. From her I learnt the
importance of a mother blessing her children to grow and move away from her
influence. I learnt that this move is an act of incredible generosity and
courage on the part of the mother. While it makes the child's transition into
adulthood so much easier, it costs the mother enormously. It is like a second
birth. The first birth causes the mother a great deal of physical pain and
suffering which, of course, is ideally balanced by the joy of holding a
healthy baby in her arms. This second birth causes the mother great pain and
suffering on the emotional and soul level as she experiences her child moving
away from her. This is hopefully balanced by the joy of seeing her child
thriving as a capable adult in the adult world. Until I sat with this
experience at a soul level, I had no idea of how huge this is for mothers. I
had no idea of the degree of emotional strength and maturity that is
necessary for a mother to do this well - to bless the child so he/she feels
free to move away. So now I have another thing to be grateful to mothers for
and another thing to be compassionate about when the mother finds that tasks
too demanding to do well. This lesson now sits deep in my heart.
I never cease to be amazed at the new learnings, insights and experiences
that bubble up in constellation work. and I am very grateful to the other
organisers of this event Maria Dolenc, Jonine Lee, Frank Breuer and Dean
Mason as well as all those who in some way helped to bring this wonderful
event together - this event that provided such rich experiences and
learnings. I also salute anyone who organises similar events around the
world. Not only do these events enrich people's lives they also require a lot
of time and hard work to organise. So thank you all.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
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Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:08 am (PST) . Posted by:"Anutoshf Foo"Thank you Chris for
the honoring of mothers and linking us all with the
Australasian Intensive. I wished I was there. Thank you.
I have always loved this poem from Kahill Gibran which I came upon when I
was a month pregnant with my son:-
Your children are not your children. They are the sons and daughters of
Life's longing for itself. They come through you but not from you, and
though they are with you yet they belong not to you. You may give them your
love but not your thoughts, For they have their own thoughts. You may house
their bodies but not their souls, For their souls dwell in the house of
tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams. You may strive
to be like them, but seek not to make them like you.For life goes not
backwards nor tarries with yesterday.
As his mother now for 35 years, it is a journey of constantly letting go.
From the birthing which is all about letting go and till now for me is
about letting go with love and blessings definitely.
All of life seem to to have this demand of us somehow and perhaps Mothers
have had the most practice so to speak.
Blessings
Anutosh
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:04 AM, sheila saunders <peacefulcentre@xxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:
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Loving this thread and what you said initially, Chris. Sounds like the
Intensive was a really beautiful, fulfilling gathering. Am filled with much
gratitude for Bert and the first generation facilitators that spread
constellation work around the world. So great to see it take hold in so
many places and hearts, and to see it take root in Australia and the
surrounding region. It feels like it truly belongs there. Other places as
well, but I am beaming towards Australia at the moment! And this aspect of
the mother letting go, it has started a process in me that is very deep and
moving, and I am so grateful for it! Thanks for including such a major
aspect for each of us in your summary, Chris. xxs
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 12, 2013, at 9:57, "Zaquie Meredith" <zaquie@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well, congratulations for your intensive∑even being so far away∑in Brazil
I can " hear " the excitement and magic of it.
As to the mothers job∑Irene∑I can only speak for myself. When my son went
away..it wasn't easy for me∑but soon I realized the importance of letting
him go.
The importance of wishing him well and not thinking so much of him∑not
worrying∑I guess a thought "holds" a person∑so when I realized this∑I let
him go.
Now, I pray, I wish him well but I don't think of what he is doing.
Whatever he is doing I bless him and for me that is how I let him go.
Of course I got so occupied with my own life∑and this has worked wonders
for me. The attachment is there, the love is there very strong∑but no
emotional interference∑
You see before I used to think that I knew all the best for him and that
it was my job to tell him how to lead his life. Step by step. Now I
understand he, too, has to learn from his own steps.
I am here. If he wants I am here to help ˆ but∑letting go∑is a wonderful
feeling when you understand there is nothing that separates us. The bond
is invisible. It is always there. No fear.
Zaquie C Meredith
*Socióloga, Consteladora e Psicoterapeuta*
*http://www.zaquie.com/ ;<http://www.zaquie.com/> Autora dos Livros: "O Que
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Dear Irene
I don't know how a mother really does this. It is something that I am only
just tuning in to at a deeper level and I certainly only have direct
experience from the point of view of the child.
I guess sorting out entanglements where the mother is looking to the
child to fulfil her emotional needs would be important. I imagine it would
be easier if the mother has learned to receive fully from her own parents.
I suppose it would also be easier if she has the support of the father of
the child and is able to give him a good place in her heart.
I imagine a constellation scenario where the mother bows before the
child's adult fate for better or for worse and then blesses the child to
step toward that fate. If that produces too much anxiety then the mother
would need to get other supports around her such as her own parents and
ancestors and perhaps the father of the child. In the end all of these
thoughts are just musings and would need to be tested in the real world. I
am sure there are mothers who subscribe to this group who have had
difficulties with this and then found a way. Hopefully some of them might
share their experiences.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Irene Davey
<toast_is_great@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
Chris this is really lovely, I am curious though as to how the mother
does this. Is it a special ceremony the mother 'does' with her child, is it
something the mother does internally for herself, is or does the child have
to be aware of this process and is there an age range when the mother might
perform this ceremony?
thanks
Irene
------------------------------
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:55:38 +1100
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Australasian Intensive
Hi all
We just finished a wonderful training intensive for the Australasian
region in Sydney. We were serenaded by kookaburras every day. Many took a
short stroll down to the beach to swim in the Pacific ocean and we all swam
in the knowing field under the guidance of our wonderful international
presenters, Judith Hemming, Marianne Franke, Francesca Mason-Boring, Bill
Mannle, Gordon Wheeler and Nancy Lunney- Wheeler. We also had special
guests Michael Knorr and Tanja Vieten leading us with Tango constellations
as well as various local presenters.
We had some beautiful morning rituals. One that seemed to especially
touch all of us was the men's healing circle with the women outside
observing. Thank you Bill Mannle for leading such a moving experience for
us all. The women too were deeply moved by this.
We all walked away with our own special learnings. One deepening that was
really important for me came from Marianne Franke. From her I learnt the
importance of a mother blessing her children to grow and move away from her
influence. I learnt that this move is an act of incredible generosity and
courage on the part of the mother. While it makes the child's transition
into adulthood so much easier, it costs the mother enormously. It is like a
second birth. The first birth causes the mother a great deal of physical
pain and suffering which, of course, is ideally balanced by the joy of
holding a healthy baby in her arms. This second birth causes the mother
great pain and suffering on the emotional and soul level as she experiences
her child moving away from her. This is hopefully balanced by the joy of
seeing her child thriving as a capable adult in the adult world. Until I
sat with this experience at a soul level, I had no idea of how huge this is
for mothers. I had no idea of the degree of emotional strength and maturity
that is necessary for a mother to do this well - to bless the child so
he/she feels free to move away. So now I have another thing to be grateful
to mothers for and another thing to be compassionate about when the mother
finds that tasks too demanding to do well. This lesson now sits deep in my
heart.
I never cease to be amazed at the new learnings, insights and experiences
that bubble up in constellation work. and I am very grateful to the other
organisers of this event Maria Dolenc, Jonine Lee, Frank Breuer and Dean
Mason as well as all those who in some way helped to bring this wonderful
event together - this event that provided such rich experiences and
learnings. I also salute anyone who organises similar events around the
world. Not only do these events enrich people's lives they also require a
lot of time and hard work to organise. So thank you all.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
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