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Digest #2475
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Re: Digest Number 2474 by "Ingala Robl"
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Re: Digest Number 2463 by "Ingala Robl"
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Re: Digest Number 2474
Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:27 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ingala Robl"
Dear Friends,
On "Children in the Circle": I have been working with systemic education in
schools where the schools invite parents and their children to participate in
family constellations. I do not work with the children themselves but they
can generally remain during the workshop and see their parents work. I always
keep my focus on the dignity of their parents and interesting things happen
during the constellations: whilst the representatives for the parents work,
children who have been very restless or crying (toddlers) gradually calm
down, first following the constellation attentively and finally starting to
play or keeping to themselves creatively.
Greetings to all,
Ingala Robl, M.A.
Centro Constelaciones Familiare SOWELU
Mexico-City
www.constelaciones.com.mx
www.iessowelu.edu.mx
On Jul 17, 2014, at 3:50 AM, ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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2 MessagesDigest #2474
1aRe: Children in the Circle by "Verena Giebels" sahajo99
2aRe: Academic poor results by "JUDY SMITH"
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1aRe: Children in the Circle
Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:36 am (PDT) . Posted by:"Verena Giebels" sahajo99
Dear Anutosh,
Thanks for your response, which feels so thoughtful and is experienced
based!
Very helpful,
With Love
Verena
Carpe diem!
Verena Sahajo Giebels
Massage and Cranio-Sacral Therapy
Family Constellations
(001) 360 421 6296www.bodysoulhealing.abmp.com
________________________________taking care of their mother emotionally. A family trauma which I will not
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Hello Verena
I recently had 11 year old twin girls attended with their mother, a 13
year old girl also with her mother and a 16 year old girl with her aunt at
my workshop. They were a close group of friends that immigrated from Hong
Kong to Victoria BC. and shared a home together.
They had wanted to sign up for the two days workshop which I resisted and
said No too to the coordinator but agreed that they can attend the 3 hours
intro. At the intro, the 13 year old‚s mother wanted to do a piece of
work. I agreed on condition that the 13 year old daughter wait outside
while her mom gets her work explored. They agreed. The daughter was only
called in to join us and stood in resource with all the Ancestors behind
her mother and family.
The other teenagers stayed in the group all the time.
Next day all the teenagers arrived for the workshop and the mothers said
that all wanted to attend and the 13 year old girl reported to her mother
that she felt strong support of energy from her Ancestors and wanted to
attend the 2 days workshop after the experience at the intro. I trusted
then that I have the blessings and permission of their Ancestors to serve
under their supervision. I was humbled once again.
The 11 year old twins wanted to stay for the mother‚s constellation on the
last day of workshop and I had a gut feeling that it was a NO but they all
insisted again and so I explained that I will let the FIELD inform us. I
had the Twins represent themselves for the highest good because no one in
the group would do it?! Two representatives were picked and were given a
paper each. One paper had Yes and the other had No and these
representative were told that they were free to move and the Twins
representing the highest good just stay put. The one with the Yes paper
immediately and practically ran out of the circle the moment she was given
the „blind‰ paper. „Blind‰ meaning no one knows what was written on the
papers and not even the Representatives nor I as the facilitator. I left
it to "bigger hands‰/phenomenology .So in this way they were convinced and
when the mother did her constellation, it became very clear that the twins
have been
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Again the twins waited outside and were reintroduced back in and stood in
resource again with strong Ancestral support behind them.
I have heard that Dogs and Children know everything and it may be
true∑loyalty.
My experience has been that the FIELD protects and always decide who
attends and who do not.
Dear Verena, having shared what I have shared above, I would say that you
can always trust in your own gut feelings which I know that you already
know anyways.
The late Dietrich Weth whom I had the grace of hosting for him in the
early days allowed children. There was a 3 year old boy who attended with
his aunty was very instrumental in a healing movement for a lady to make
the movement towards her mother. Then there was a 6 year old girl who was
a little Shaman waving her hands and doing all sorts of mudra to move
energy while her parents were getting their work explored.
I did not know how to explain what is Mudra and goggle says:-
The meaning of Œmudra‚, which is a Sanskrit word, is Œclosure‚ or Œseal‚.
Mudra hand positions are physical gestures that have an effect on the
energy flow of the body. The ancient practice of yoga links the hand
mudras to the changing spiritual and mental aspects of a person. The
mudras are usually finger positions like in the Anjali Mudra, where the
hands are kept at the center of the heart.
Thank you for allowing me to share my experience.
Love & Blessings to all of you and your families
Anutosh
http://www.anutoshhealingarts.com
On Jul 15, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Verena Giebels sahajo99@xxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi all,
A new client is asking if she could bring her 13 year old son to my next
introduction. My first impulse was for her to check out the work and then
decide for the next intro.
Does anybody have experience with children/teenagers in the circle? What
are your thoughts?
Thank you,
Verena
Carpe diem!
Verena Sahajo Giebels
Massage and Cranio-Sacral Therapy
Family Constellations
(001) 360 421 6296www.bodysoulhealing.abmp.com
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2aRe: Academic poor results
Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:39 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"JUDY SMITH"
I would ask one thing...to whom might they be loyal in their inability to
take in the nurturing that might allow them to thrive?
Judy Wilkins-Smith
jmsmit21@xxxxxxxxxxx
www.beyond-thebox.com
(903) 312-5196
(903) 534-6263
On Monday, June 30, 2014 5:23 AM, "Lawrence Ngorora lavincisa@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear All,
Has anyone looked at what forces may be preventing learners from thriving
in given courses? If learners feel they have given everything and nothing
is changing in doing well, in what ways might I explore how the same
patterns persist? What has worked?
The background is that a particular group of student ('formerly'
disadvantaged, the bulk are single parents now and have been raised by
single parents too, perhaps first in the family to earn a tertiary
qualification). They seem to seem to struggle with Maths-related
courses.............
I value your feedback in however way it will support these learners and my
learning too!
Thank You
Lawrence Ngorora
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Re: Digest Number 2463
Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:39 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Ingala Robl"
Academic poor results:
Generally, I have seen a loyalty to family members who have not had schooling
themselves or any academic preparation. I then ask the person any of the
following three, or all of them, questions:
a) The dis-similarity question of structural constellations (SySt): If they
succeeded and would obtain good results, to whom in their family would they
stop being similar?
b) The resource question: which person in their system would be really happy
if they succeeded?
c) The problem-solution question: for which situation could the problem be a
(still hidden) solution?
Saludos,
Ingala Robl, M.A.
Centro Constelaciones Familiares SOWELU
México-City
www.constelaciones.com.mx
www.iessowelu.edu.mx
On Jul 1, 2014, at 4:09 AM, ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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3 MessagesDigest #2463
1aAcademic poor results by "Lawrence Ngorora" lavinciuk
1bRe: Academic poor results by "Patricia Robertson"
1cRe: Academic poor results by "Lawrence Ngorora" lavinciuk
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1aAcademic poor results
Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:23 am (PDT) . Posted by:"Lawrence Ngorora" lavinciuk
Dear All,
Has anyone looked at what forces may be preventing learners from thriving
in given courses? If learners feel they have given everything and nothing
is changing in doing well, in what ways might I explore how the same
patterns persist? What has worked?
The background is that a particular group of student ('formerly'
disadvantaged, the bulk are single parents now and have been raised by
single parents too, perhaps first in the family to earn a tertiary
qualification). They seem to seem to struggle with Maths-related
courses.............
I value your feedback in however way it will support these learners and my
learning too!
Thank You
Lawrence Ngorora
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Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:56 am (PDT) . Posted by:"Patricia Robertson"
Hello Everyone,
I have seen only one constellation set up related to the learning of a
course. The individual was struggling to learn the German language. The
representatives brought forward in the constellation that the individual
would not be able to learn the language easily until he took the time to
understand the history and culture of the people. He needed to look to his
own familial relationship with this nation. There had to be
acknowledgement, acceptance, and respect for what was in the past. The
individual had to address any familial or personal judgement of the nation.
The learning of the language would come more easily when there was respect
and no judgement.
A week ago I was doing work with a family in Eastern Europe. In the 1940s,
under the rule of Tito in Yugoslavia, there was a law that children had to
attend school from grade 1 to grade 5. I met the father, the oldest living
child of the family (3rd of 11 children, the oldest twins died in infancy),
and a member of the oldest living generation today. He remembers his
parents beating his hands with a wooden spoon when he would attempt to do
homework in the evenings at home. In the next generation his oldest child,
a daughter, struggled with all subjects in school. She remembers her father
calling her stupid all the time. In reality, this woman is quite bright,
speaks 3 languages, and she managed to move her family to Canada after 5
years of living as refugees in the early 1990s. The learning difficulties
in childhood appeared to be systemic. It appeared that there was no
ancestral approval to learn from books. This womanâ•˚s oldest son calls
himself a loser and believes he is intellectually superior to everyone
around him. This work was done informally sitting with the father and
daughter. A formal constellation was not set up but a constellation was
evident and in process nevertheless as they sat near one another. Great
movement occurred in this family system as many dynamics were brought to
light. In a formal constellation, there might be movement if the individual
asks permission from the ancestors to be more or less or different than
they were?
I hope this helps in some way.
In Peace,
Patricia Robertson
Peaceful Possibilities Consulting
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
www.peacefulpossibilities.ca
patricia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
403-719-0044
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Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:28 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"Lawrence Ngorora" lavinciuk
Dear Patricia,
Thank you for this message and I can see insights in it that I can utilise.
Kindly
Lawrence
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Patricia Robertson pkrobertson22@xxxxxxxxx
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I have seen only one constellation set up related to the learning of a
course. The individual was struggling to learn the German language. The
representatives brought forward in the constellation that the individual
would not be able to learn the language easily until he took the time to
understand the history and culture of the people. He needed to look to his
own familial relationship with this nation. There had to be
acknowledgement, acceptance, and respect for what was in the past. The
individual had to address any familial or personal judgement of the
nation.
The learning of the language would come more easily when there was respect
and no judgement.
A week ago I was doing work with a family in Eastern Europe. In the
1940s, under the rule of Tito in Yugoslavia, there was a law that children
had to attend school from grade 1 to grade 5. I met the father, the oldest
living child of the family (3rd of 11 children, the oldest twins died in
infancy), and a member of the oldest living generation today. He remembers
his parents beating his hands with a wooden spoon when he would attempt to
do homework in the evenings at home. In the next generation his oldest
child, a daughter, struggled with all subjects in school. She remembers
her father calling her stupid all the time. In reality, this woman is
quite bright, speaks 3 languages, and she managed to move her family to
Canada after 5 years of living as refugees in the early 1990s. The
learning difficulties in childhood appeared to be systemic. It appeared
that there was no ancestral approval to learn from books. This
womanâ╢Ë˙s
oldest son calls himself a loser and believes he is intellectually
superior
to everyone around him. This work was done informally sitting with the
father and daughter. A formal constellation was not set up but a
constellation was evident and in process nevertheless as they sat near one
another. Great movement occurred in this family system as many dynamics
were brought to light. In a formal constellation, there might be movement
if the individual asks permission from the ancestors to be more or less or
different than they were?
I hope this helps in some way.
In Peace,
Patricia Robertson
Peaceful Possibilities Consulting
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
www.peacefulpossibilities.ca
patricia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
403-719-0044
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