Dear Jacquie,
Anngwyn St. Just, who is - amongst her many talents and trainings, a historian
has written several books about this phenomena. Perhaps it would be a good idea
to go into her website and her blog.
She its giving a training about Trauma-Work in our Centro de Constelaciones
Familiares SOWELU, in México-City and she is always mentioning these facts
which repeat themselves in time and in place.
Saludos,
Ingala Robl
Centro de Constelaciones Familiares SOWELU
www.constelaciones.com.mx
www.iessowelu.org.mx
On Aug 15, 2014, at 4:06 AM, ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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1aRe: If Bert if the Father...who's the mother? by "Jutta ten Herkel"
2aby "Zaquie Meredith"
2bRe: by "Karen Carnabucci" karencarnabucci
2cRe: by "Julio Príncipe"
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1aRe: If Bert if the Father...who's the mother?
Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:18 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"Jutta ten Herkel"
Hello Cristina,
There are a number of experienced constellation facilitators in London.
This question was ask some time ago on the forum. You might find references
to it in previous postings and good practitioners on the website of: the
Centre for Systemic Constellations
Best wishes
Jutta ten Herkel
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Hi all,
Can you recommend a good constellation facilitator in London?
Cristina
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You have probably seen all this, but if you haven't it is quite beautiful.
See you Sat., Jan
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Edward Phillips dabhain@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This mystery for the mind cannot ever be solved by the mind. As you
approach it from a perspective of mind, it recedes from your grasp.
Poetry often points or hints at this invisible and discreet being, beyond
words.
Pure feeling, which has not been corrupted by words and memory, springs
forth from this discreet being but it can never be described or labeled.
Like writing upon the still waters of a pond, it disappears. In mind, as
soon as it is described, it appears to recede as the attention goes into the
description. It seems to escape the attention but the waters of naked
cognition flow on regardless. The blood in your veins flows with life, as
life.
We dont need another hero.or gurus.or divisions, thought are patterns on the
screen of consciousness believed in and take far too seriously, we can be
quite and see what happens with littel pointers here and there to the
participants who are after all a reflection of ourselves. Stop pretending,
be nothing, there is no process, there is no method. No meditation really,
all that's required is re cog nition of the Truth againn and againn
.
Thanks Bert hellinger and gilbert Schultz
On 6 Aug 2014 20:12, "Edward Phillips" <dabhain@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello everyone.
"Discard every self-seeking motive
as soon as it is seen and you need
not search for truth; truth will find
you."
Is this the core moment with in the field the truth finding you? it holds
the persons so that the absurdities of our human play can be seen and felt..
It does not matter if the means to recovering the order of love is male or
female. As a sage once said 'love says I am everything and wisdom says I am
nothing and our lives flow between the two.
warmly yours
Edward phillops
On 4 Aug 2014 20:56, "Anutosh Foo anutoshf@xxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Carolyn and all dear friends
Thank you for everyone¹s contributions which continue to enrich me and
stretch me lovingly. Thank you.
Caroyln, dear Constellation Sistar*
Wow! Thank you.
Together, we are making a very delicious healing soup.
Thank you all dear fellow travelers for your voices.
Blessings & Love
Anutosh Foo
www.anutoshhealingarts.com <http://www.anutoshhealingarts.com>
On Aug 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, 'Carolyn Zahner' cpzahner@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello All,
Thank you, Alison for bringing this important and continuing question to
this forum.
Thank you, Eimear for bringing the specific issue out of the shadows.
Thank you, to all of the other teachers who have contributed so richly to
this thread.
For me, the Field does not rely on the form, structure or rules of
Constellations but rather, Constellations rely on the Field. Whether through
the process of Constellations or some other form, approaching this place
requires openness to wholeness: the deep place of silence, the grounded work
of analytical capacity and the personal power and maturity to find one¹s
voice in the co-creative process while respecting the process of another.
As Alison beautifully expressed:
³..it is Silence that holds the sacred.
It is also true that the sacred permeates all, and words can and do speak
from a genuine Truth - so it would be a misconception to say that words do
not also convey the sacred! (I don't know that anyone is suggesting that, I
just felt the need to acknowledge). Yet, we all know how words can distort
and seem to separate us from the deeper Truth. Yes.²
While words can distort and seem to separate us from the deeper Truth, for
me, it is also true that a dogmatic ³rule² of forced silence can equally
distort to the ³Truth² and enable denial of the ³Truth². As many others
in this thread have pointed out, the dogmatic ³rule² for silence is a very
different thing than the ³guideline² and sacred need for silence in the
moment, within the process - as described by Vinay, Anutosh and so many
others.
I deeply value the questions and introspection that Katia invites us into.
I deeply value the clarity that Anni offers regarding the deep and pervasive
constructs that have historically commanded silence falsely claiming
³sacredness² to gain and maintain power and dominance resulting in fear
based compliance to silence.
I deeply value Leslie¹s wisdom in reminding us of our tendencies for
parental transference. I do not look for the ³Father² or ³Mother². I look
for the ³inspired teacher/ facilitator² who is humble enough to be willing
to hear and learn from the wisdom and voice of the student/seeker. When in
the place of ³teacher/facilitator² I hold myself accountable to do the same
and know I will be humanly imperfect at it.
If a question, or issue continually comes up for many and out of the larger
Field, perhaps the issue deserves wholeness - both sacred silence and sacred
voice. When we find ourselves as teacher, do we believe ourselves to be so
above our own humanness, our own entanglements, to not explore the intention
behind any ³rules² of silence? Or the intention behind our judgments of who
is of value, who is ³ready,² or who is too small to be here or there?
Perhaps we are called to maintain full adult responsibility for our own
processes whether we are in the role of teacher or student. From the sacred
silence, from our own ancestors, we may find not only permission to speak,
but in some instances, even a responsibility to do so. While I may value and
maintain the Sacredness of Silence, I can also choose not to be silenced out
of fear. I look for inspired (and inspiring) teachers, colleagues and
students who are willing to include and embrace The Sacred Voice that comes
out of The Sacred Silence.
In Gratitude,
Carolyn
Carolyn Zahner, MSW, LISW, Inc
513-697-0260 <tel:513-697-0260>
Private Practice, Integrative Psychotherapy
www.carolynzahner.com <http://www.carolynzahner.com/>
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Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:56 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"Zaquie Meredith"
You probably have not heard of thismaybe there are not many news about
Brazil
But a young popular candidate to becoming a president in upcoming elections
in Brazil recently died on air plane crash. This was August 13th, actually
yesterday. It was very very sad. We are all in shock. And then we learned
that exactly on this same date his grandfather, also a great politician in
Brazil died, 9 years ago. Same day. Not a coincidence of course . These
dates , birthdates, accidents, incidents, tragic deaths are all alive in the
memory of the family or in the memory of the political environment of these
men who wanted to change the country.
I remember watching a video by Bert Hellinger, Rupert Sheldrake and Anne
Ancelin Schutzenberger about the re-occurrence of these tragic dates. The
video was called ReViewing Assumptions.
Does anyone know of more literature, books, texts about this? Thanks.
Zaquie C Meredith
Socióloga, Consteladora e Psicoterapeuta
http://www.zaquie.com/
Autora dos Livros: "O Que Você Precisa Saber² / ³A Consciência das Sensações
e Constelações² / ³É a Fé que sustenta o Pássaro²
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Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:27 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"Karen Carnabucci" karencarnabucci
See "The Ancestor Syndrome" by Ann Ancelin Schutzenberger as one of the
earlier resources, documenting many amazing coincidences.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Ancestor-Syndrome-Transgenerational-Psychotherapy/dp/0415191874
Karen Carnabucci, MSS, LCSW, LISW-S, TEP
www.lakehousecenter.com
(262) 633-2645
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On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:56 PM, "Zaquie Meredith zaquie@xxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Brazil…
But a young popular candidate to becoming a president in upcoming elections
in Brazil recently died on air plane crash. This was August 13th, actually
yesterday. It was very very sad. We are all in shock. And then we learned
that exactly on this same date his grandfather, also a great politician in
Brazil died, 9 years ago. Same day. Not a coincidence of course . These
dates , birthdates, accidents, incidents, tragic deaths are all alive in
the memory of the family or in the memory of the political environment of
these men who wanted to change the country.
I remember watching a video by Bert Hellinger, Rupert Sheldrake and Anne
Ancelin Schutzenberger about the re-occurrence of these tragic dates. The
video was called ReViewing Assumptions.
Does anyone know of more literature, books, texts about this? Thanks.
Zaquie C Meredit
Socióloga, Consteladora e Psicoterapeuta
http://www.zaquie.co
Autora dos Livros: "O Que Você Precisa Saber” / “A Consciência das
Sensações e Constelações” / “É a Fé que sustenta o Pássaro”
Linkedin: http://br.linkedin.com/in/zaquie
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/zaquie.meredith
Twitter: http://twitter.com/zaquiemeredith
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Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:40 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"Julio Príncipe"
Of course, Anngwyn St. Just is a huge source of discoveries and worldwide
experiences in social trauma and research about aniversary syndrome.
Hugs
Julio
El ago 14, 2014 9:27 PM, "Karen Carnabucci karenc@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:
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See "The Ancestor Syndrome" by Ann Ancelin Schutzenberger as one of the
earlier resources, documenting many amazing coincidences.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Ancestor-Syndrome-Transgenerational-Psychotherapy/dp/0415191874
Karen Carnabucci, MSS, LCSW, LISW-S, TEP
www.lakehousecenter.com
(262) 633-2645
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On Aug 14, 2014, at 8:56 PM, "Zaquie Meredith zaquie@xxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You probably have not heard of this…maybe there are not many news about
Brazil…
But a young popular candidate to becoming a president in upcoming
elections in Brazil recently died on air plane crash. This was August 13th,
actually yesterday. It was very very sad. We are all in shock. And then we
learned that exactly on this same date his grandfather, also a great
politician in Brazil died, 9 years ago. Same day. Not a coincidence of
course . These dates , birthdates, accidents, incidents, tragic deaths are
all alive in the memory of the family or in the memory of the political
environment of these men who wanted to change the country.
I remember watching a video by Bert Hellinger, Rupert Sheldrake and Anne
Ancelin Schutzenberger about the re-occurrence of these tragic dates. The
video was called ReViewing Assumptions.
Does anyone know of more literature, books, texts about this? Thanks.
Zaquie C Meredit
*Socióloga, Consteladora e Psicoterapeuta *
*http://www.zaquie.co ;<http://www.zaquie.com/>Autora dos Livros: "O Que
Você Precisa Saber” / “A Consciência das Sensações e Constelações” / “É a
Fé que sustenta o Pássaro” Linkedin: http://br.linkedin.com/in/zaquie
<http://br.linkedin.com/in/zaquie>Facebook**: *
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