Dear Friends,
I have worked in the past with blind persons in workshops.
My way of moving about the field (“el campo”) changed completely, I was more
conscious of myself, tuned myself in to the movements of the clients, moving
much slower, much softer, at the beginning advising the client when I would get
closer or retreat, from time to time softly touching his/her arm, and asking
the same of the representatives. At first, I was more descriptive of what was
happening in the constellation. It was a little as if I was a “voice in off”
for the client. There was a deep connection in listening, in a different way,
and of sensing much more.
I had had some experience of working with clients during radio programs, where
I described what was happening to the people who listened to the program, and
that helped at the beginning with blind clients also. By the way, during the
time line of the constellations, they needed less and less of my accompanying
describing voice getting very much in tune with the representatives by
themselves. I am very grateful for these experiences as they touched me deeply
and strengthened my confidence in Family Constellations.
Warm regards,
Ingala Robl
Instituto de Estudios Superiores SOWELU,
Centro de Constelaciones Familiares de México SOWELU
Heriberto Frías 939, Col. del Valle, CP 03100
www.constelaciones.com.mx <http://www.constelaciones.com.mx/>
www.iessowelu.edu.mx <http://www.iessowelu.edu.mx/>
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Hello,
It's been a long time since I posted here, and I'm late to this discussion.
Apologies for that. A lot of important points have been made in this thread:
you tend to receive as client problems what you can handle or are being asked
to learn more about;
there is personal risk involved in dealing with some energies;
there are different kinds of attachments which do not "belong" in a person or
family's field;
there are diffferent traditions and rituals for dealing with them;
some clients who think there are attachments have instead normal systemic
issues.
Thanks to all who contributed.
But I agree with Elmear that this issue of "entities" is showing up more and
so will say a few things. I think the increase right now involves the fact
that the struggle for the fate of Mother Earth is reaching certain climactic
points. So it's important.
Like Liz and Laure and others, my training in these matters preceded
involvement with constellations. It took place during and after an
apprenticeship to indigenous and mixed blood teachers 1986-93. Part of the
"training" involved being attacked and surviving. What follows relates to my
ways, and things may be different for other workers. it is long but perhaps
of value.
In my experience there are different kinds of attachments ranging from
relatively benign to highly malevolent,
and from unintelligent energy forms spun off by ritual or perticularly
intense loves or hates
to highly conscious and sophisticated beings.
and also at times just extremely strong archetypes or "curses" with long
histories affecting some family
Examples of the last one can be found in Schutzenberger's THE ANCESTOR
SYNDROME.
Yes some entities are simply human souls who failed to transition after
sudden death. Not all atachments are probematic. A couple of my shamanic
teachers had strongly attached "helpers." Sometimes a grandmother hangs out
in the field of a beloved granddaughter until her own issue is resolved and
her descendant has been helped past some obstacle. A twin lost in the womb or
at birth will stay with his or her sibling at times
I don't see the human soul so much as a distinct thing, but rather more of a
diffuse energy field with central parts that deeply "belong" and more
peripheral parts that have collected in various ways for better or for worse.
There are various kinds of psychic symbiosis. This in my mind is similar to
situations in family systems at times. For instance, a man's living or lost
combat buddies become part of the family system, but at times not to the same
degree as parents, children, etc.
The most comprehensive book written about entitities and attachments to
individuals that I know of is William Baldwin's SPIRIT RELEASEMENT
THERAPY--which i recommend if you are a reader.
Personally, I won't undertake this kind of work in an open workshop, but only
either in private or with an advanced group of helpers. It can be too
frightening for others in the workshop. And fear is often the first inroad to
attachment. It is very important not to spread fear in talking about these
things. We all have psychic immune systems.
If something truly foreign and problematic is active in the field of a person
or ancestral family, it can typically only be there by virtue of unhealed
traumas that it can exacerbate and feed off of. So the general form of a
clearing involves
work healing the traumas (attachment points),
separating the outside energy temporarily, enough to determine if the client
is truly willing to let it go,
moving the outside energy on its way (if the client so chooses),
and filling the void it left in the client with local positive as opposed to
outside negative energies.
Not all necessarily all in that simple linear order.
Christian excorcists it seems felt their job was to send a malevolent outside
energy "to hell"; new age practitioners tend to try to send the energy "into
the light." The function of me and the angels and totems that support me in
this work is offer a choice. It an energy wishes to enter the light, we can
do ritual and help. If it's fate is to continue to spread pain and thereby
challenge others to grow, then it may depart. But it cannot stay here.
We do not "command," in our way. We simply present a force of compassionate
love and light and establish a "thou shalt not cross barrier." Then there are
various rituals to to cleanse and make sure that barrier remains secure
afterwards.
This involves a metaphysics in which, as some here have said, light exists at
the center of everything, and darkness has its sacred role in challenging the
universe to evolve. Malevolent ones are "the dark teachers" to us. Extremely
nasty sometims, but still just teachers.
One way to conceptualize the more malevolent entities is to imagine beings
that have been multiply retraumatized. I think of them as layer upon layer of
dashed hopes and bitter losses around the same wounding. So much so that
their only solace is to spread their pain as much as possible. The goal of
the truly malevolent ones with respect to you the healing facilitator as well
is not to be helped out of their hole, but rather to pull you in with them.
I repeat what others have said: not everyone can or should undertake heavier
aspects of this work. Personally, it has been costly for me at times and at
times I can't do any more of it for a while. I regard it as a calling, not so
much something one decides to do, and it can be a rough road at times. Still,
given the world in its present state of crisis, I think more of us have to be
willing to walk this path.
But it also follows from all this that facilitators might find themselves
perfectly capable of dealing with some forms of attachments, while best
referring others elsewhere. An innocent lost human soul attached in confusion
may be very grateful to be aided in going into the light, for instance.
Sending love and energy to this group, even though I have not been around for
a while.
Michael
Michael Reddy, PhD, CPC, ELI-MP
michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 610 469 7588
www.reddyworks.com <http://www.reddyworks.com/>
Relieving Chronic Emotional/Physical Suffering using
Family Constellations | Core Energy Coaching | EFT | Shamanism
On Feb 2, 2017, at 9:45 AM, jack blackwell travelerjbjb@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:travelerjbjb@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Robert, with due respect,
I've got a client who has wanted to die for much of 16 years because his
entire life is being impacted by something he does not understand. Since he
was 8 years old. Every aspect of his life is severely marginalized.
I don't understand it because our society shuns conversations about it. The
cultural story is that these things are non-existant or dangerous. So I
have posed the question and am learning.
Am I concerned about working with an energy like this, absolutely. Am I
concerned for representative safety, absolutely. Do I want whatever is
effecting my client to attach to someone else in the room, no.
I am fine with my fears, though I am not sure I would call them borderline.
And from this thread I realize that I will refer this client out and I am
developing a healthy respect for these energies and am open to seeing them
as lost rather than dark. Though there may be some truth in them being dark
or malevolent.
Sincerely, Jack
Jack Blackwell (720) 458-5363
Connecting Spirit & Psychology ~ Creates Profound Insights & Healing
Family Constellation Workshops & Trainings, Group & Private Therapy
Offerings Learn more here: healingfamilytrauma.com
<http://healingfamilytrauma.com/>
From: "Robert Grant erebees@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:erebees@xxxxxxxxx>
[ConstellationTalk]" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
To: "ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>"
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] entities, dark forces, attachments, etc &
Family Constellations
Dark Entities.
The corrosive effect of fear on human consciousness seems to be manifest is
this thread about entities. I do feel and consider it is of utmost
importance to respect, allow and not deny feelings and experiences however
irrational or borderline they may be. It is no surprise to witness
facilitators becoming personally overwhelmed by delusional, trauma and fear
driven imagery. Luckily the main game is to give some space, voice and
acceptance to all this elements in our psyche. What a wonderful field to
play in.
Best wishes to all,
Robert
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:01 AM, Nancy Tung nancytung88@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:nancytung88@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I am following this thread with great interest. Thanks for bringing it up,
Jack!
When I was new in Constellation, I was quite fearful of dark entities
because I would not know what to do with them.
As my experience grew, I noticed they are energies in need of been seen,
heard, and a place to belong just like the rest of us. When their needs are
met, they turn benevolent and peaceful.
I would be interested to learn from Laure how to de-posses without using
words for the client. Thank you very much!
Nancy
Nancy Tung RN
Holistic Wellness Practitioner
Helping people liberate from their chronic pain and let life blossom!
NancyTung.com <http://nancytung.com/>
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Laure Porch� laure.porche@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:laure.porche@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@
yahoogroups.com <http://yahoogroups.com/>> wrote:
Hi Jack,
My experience is, if this shows up repeatedly for you, it's probably
because you have the capacity to hold that specific Field. I agree with
Anngwyn in the sense that if the client is asking specifically for
depossession, it is better to refer him to someone who does that outside of
constellation (I have names if you need them). But I find that very often
for me (and probably because I am trained in this), possession issues show
up in constellations without the client being aware of what is going on. In
this case, I do the depossession via the constellation, without necessarily
using the word with the client, as it can be traumatic.
Since you seem to be attracting a lot of these cases, I would recommend
taking Betsy Bergstrom Compassionate Depossession training if you're not
already trained in this. She's also a trained FC facilitator.
I'd be happy to talk more about this in private if you wish. My email:
laure.porche@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:laure.porche@xxxxxxxxx> or phone 3476065526
Blessings,
Laure
On 01/02/2017 08:00, jack blackwell travelerjbjb@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:travelerjbjb@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk] wrote:
Over the past 8 months, since I've opened my mind a bit more, I've had a
number of clients approach me regarding entities and feeling they had
beings/entities attached to them.
I'm cautious about working with these forces. Though I do believe
Constellations can help.
Questions
Do any of you have experience working with these issues and if so what
results have you experienced?
How do you create a safe enough space to work in these realms? For the
representatives too? (I'm concerned about representatives carrying these
energies)
I want to be of service and I believe constellations can help, but I have
to make it safe enough for all concerned. This is my top priority.
Thank you for your input
Jack
Jack Blackwell (720) 458-5363
Connecting Spirit & Psychology ~ Creates Profound Insights & Healing
Family Constellation Workshops & Trainings, Group & Private Therapy
Offerings Learn more here: healingfamilytrauma
<http://healingfamilytrauma.com/>.com <http://healingfamilytrauma.com/>
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Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:27 am (PST) . Posted by: "jack blackwell"
artistryinhealing
<mailto:travelerjbjb@xxxxxxxxx?subject=Re%3A%20Entities%2C%20Attachments--Summary%20%26%20%20More%20Thoughts>
Thank you Michael, I truly appreciate your synopsis. For some reason it feels
good to read this and opens my heart. I do feel that I am being called to
learn these processes.
Much love and appreciation to all of you who contributed.
Jack
PS I've ordered your recommended book from Amazon
Jack Blackwell (720) 458-5363
Connecting Spirit & Psychology ~ Creates Profound Insights & Healing
Family Constellation Workshops & Trainings, Group & Private Therapy Offerings
Learn more here: healingfamilytrauma.com <http://healingfamilytrauma.com/>
From: "Michael Reddy michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[ConstellationTalk]" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:17 AM
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Entities, Attachments--Summary & More Thoughts
Hello,
It's been a long time since I posted here, and I'm late to this discussion.
Apologies for that. A lot of important points have been made in this thread:
- you tend to receive as client problems what you can handle or are being
asked to learn more about;
- there is personal risk involved in dealing with some energies;
- there are different kinds of attachments which do not "belong" in a person
or family's field;
- there are diffferent traditions and rituals for dealing with them;
- some clients who think there are attachments have instead normal systemic
issues.
Thanks to all who contributed.
But I agree with Elmear that this issue of "entities" is showing up more and
so will say a few things. I think the increase right now involves the fact
that the struggle for the fate of Mother Earth is reaching certain climactic
points. So it's important.
Like Liz and Laure and others, my training in these matters preceded
involvement with constellations. It took place during and after an
apprenticeship to indigenous and mixed blood teachers 1986-93. Part of the
"training" involved being attacked and surviving. What follows relates to my
ways, and things may be different for other workers. it is long but perhaps
of value.
In my experience there are different kinds of attachments ranging from
- relatively benign to highly malevolent,
- and from unintelligent energy forms spun off by ritual or perticularly
intense loves or hates
- to highly conscious and sophisticated beings.
- and also at times just extremely strong archetypes or "curses" with long
histories affecting some family
Examples of the last one can be found in Schutzenberger's THE ANCESTOR
SYNDROME.
Yes some entities are simply human souls who failed to transition after
sudden death. Not all atachments are probematic. A couple of my shamanic
teachers had strongly attached "helpers." Sometimes a grandmother hangs out
in the field of a beloved granddaughter until her own issue is resolved and
her descendant has been helped past some obstacle. A twin lost in the womb
or at birth will stay with his or her sibling at times
I don't see the human soul so much as a distinct thing, but rather more of a
diffuse energy field with central parts that deeply "belong" and more
peripheral parts that have collected in various ways for better or for worse.
There are various kinds of psychic symbiosis. This in my mind is similar to
situations in family systems at times. For instance, a man's living or lost
combat buddies become part of the family system, but at times not to the same
degree as parents, children, etc.
The most comprehensive book written about entitities and attachments to
individuals that I know of is William Baldwin's SPIRIT RELEASEMENT
THERAPY--which i recommend if you are a reader.
Personally, I won't undertake this kind of work in an open workshop, but only
either in private or with an advanced group of helpers. It can be too
frightening for others in the workshop. And fear is often the first inroad
to attachment. It is very important not to spread fear in talking about
these things. We all have psychic immune systems.
If something truly foreign and problematic is active in the field of a person
or ancestral family, it can typically only be there by virtue of unhealed
traumas that it can exacerbate and feed off of. So the general form of a
clearing involves
- work healing the traumas (attachment points),
- separating the outside energy temporarily, enough to determine if the
client is truly willing to let it go,
- moving the outside energy on its way (if the client so chooses),
- and filling the void it left in the client with local positive as opposed
to outside negative energies.
Not all necessarily all in that simple linear order.
Christian excorcists it seems felt their job was to send a malevolent outside
energy "to hell"; new age practitioners tend to try to send the energy "into
the light." The function of me and the angels and totems that support me in
this work is offer a choice. It an energy wishes to enter the light, we can
do ritual and help. If it's fate is to continue to spread pain and thereby
challenge others to grow, then it may depart. But it cannot stay here.
We do not "command," in our way. We simply present a force of compassionate
love and light and establish a "thou shalt not cross barrier." Then there
are various rituals to to cleanse and make sure that barrier remains secure
afterwards.
This involves a metaphysics in which, as some here have said, light exists at
the center of everything, and darkness has its sacred role in challenging the
universe to evolve. Malevolent ones are "the dark teachers" to us.
Extremely nasty sometims, but still just teachers.
One way to conceptualize the more malevolent entities is to imagine beings
that have been multiply retraumatized. I think of them as layer upon layer
of dashed hopes and bitter losses around the same wounding. So much so that
their only solace is to spread their pain as much as possible. The goal of
the truly malevolent ones with respect to you the healing facilitator as well
is not to be helped out of their hole, but rather to pull you in with them.
I repeat what others have said: not everyone can or should undertake heavier
aspects of this work. Personally, it has been costly for me at times and at
times I can't do any more of it for a while. I regard it as a calling, not
so much something one decides to do, and it can be a rough road at times.
Still, given the world in its present state of crisis, I think more of us
have to be willing to walk this path.
But it also follows from all this that facilitators might find themselves
perfectly capable of dealing with some forms of attachments, while best
referring others elsewhere. An innocent lost human soul attached in
confusion may be very grateful to be aided in going into the light, for
instance.
Sending love and energy to this group, even though I have not been around for
a while.
Michael
Michael Reddy, PhD, CPC, ELI-MPmichael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ELI-MPmichael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 610 469
7588www.reddyworks.comRelieving Chronic Emotional/Physical Suffering
usingFamily Constellations | Core Energy Coaching | EFT | Shamanism
On Feb 2, 2017, at 9:45 AM, jack blackwell travelerjbjb@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:travelerjbjb@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Robert, with due respect,
I've got a client who has wanted to die for much of 16 years because his
entire life is being impacted by something he does not understand. Since he
was 8 years old. Every aspect of his life is severely marginalized.
I don't understand it because our society shuns conversations about it. The
cultural story is that these things are non-existant or dangerous. So I have
posed the question and am learning.
Am I concerned about working with an energy like this, absolutely. Am I
concerned for representative safety, absolutely. Do I want whatever is
effecting my client to attach to someone else in the room, no.
I am fine with my fears, though I am not sure I would call them borderline.
And from this thread I realize that I will refer this client out and I am
developing a healthy respect for these energies and am open to seeing them as
lost rather than dark. Though there may be some truth in them being dark or
malevolent.
Sincerely, Jack
Jack Blackwell (720) 458-5363
Connecting Spirit & Psychology ~ Creates Profound Insights & Healing
Family Constellation Workshops & Trainings, Group & Private Therapy Offerings
Learn more here: healingfamilytrauma.com <http://healingfamilytrauma.com/>
From: "Robert Grant erebees@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:erebees@xxxxxxxxx>
[ConstellationTalk]" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
To: "ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>"
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] entities, dark forces, attachments, etc &
Family Constellations
Dark Entities. The corrosive effect of fear on human consciousness seems
tobe manifest is this thread about entities. I do feel and consider it is
ofutmost importance to respect, allow and not deny feelings and
experienceshowever irrational or borderline they may be. It is no surprise
towitness facilitators becoming personally overwhelmed by delusional, trauma
andfear driven imagery. Luckily the main game is to give some space, voice
andacceptance to all this elements in our psyche. What a wonderful field to
playin. Best wishes to all,Robert
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:01 AM, Nancy Tung nancytung88@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:nancytung88@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I am following this thread with great interest. Thanks for bringing it up,
Jack!
When I was new in Constellation, I was quite fearful of dark entities because
I would not know what to do with them.
As my experience grew, I noticed they are energies in need of been seen,
heard, and a place to belong just like the rest of us. When their needs are
met, they turn benevolent and peaceful.
I would be interested to learn from Laure how to de-posses without using
words for the client. Thank you very much!
Nancy
Nancy Tung RNHolistic Wellness PractitionerHelping people liberate from their
chronic pain and let life blossom!NancyTung.com <http://nancytung.com/>
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Laure Porché laure.porche@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:laure.porche@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@
yahoogroups.com <http://yahoogroups.com/>> wrote:
Hi Jack,
My experience is, if this shows up repeatedly for you, it's probably because
you have the capacity to hold that specific Field. I agree with Anngwyn in
the sense that if the client is asking specifically for depossession, it is
better to refer him to someone who does that outside of constellation (I have
names if you need them). But I find that very often for me (and probably
because I am trained in this), possession issues show up in constellations
without the client being aware of what is going on. In this case, I do the
depossession via the constellation, without necessarily using the word with
the client, as it can be traumatic.
Since you seem to be attracting a lot of these cases, I would recommend
taking Betsy Bergstrom Compassionate Depossession training if you're not
already trained in this. She's also a trained FC facilitator. I'd be happy to
talk more about this in private if you wish. My email: laure.porche@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:laure.porche@xxxxxxxxx> or phone 3476065526 Blessings,
Laure
On 01/02/2017 08:00, jack blackwell travelerjbjb@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:travelerjbjb@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk] wrote:
Over the past 8 months, since I've opened my mind a bit more, I've had a
number of clients approach me regarding entities and feeling they had
beings/entities attached to them.
I'm cautious about working with these forces. Though I do believe
Constellations can help.
Questions
Do any of you have experience working with these issues and if so what
results have you experienced?
How do you create a safe enough space to work in these realms? For the
representatives too? (I'm concerned about representatives carrying these
energies)
I want to be of service and I believe constellations can help, but I have to
make it safe enough for all concerned. This is my top priority.
Thank you for your input
Jack
Jack Blackwell (720) 458-5363
Connecting Spirit & Psychology ~ Creates Profound Insights & Healing
Family Constellation Workshops & Trainings, Group & Private Therapy Offerings
Learn more here: healingfamilytrauma <http://healingfamilytrauma.com/>.com
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Hi Everyone,
An interesting conversation about working with entities.
We actually have a track at the upcoming North American National conference
in October
that is related to this topic; traditional and indigenous wisdom
constellations. Our vision
is �bridging the divide; healing the personal and collective soul.� Not sure
whether this topic
was included in previous conferences but from the postings below there seems
to be need for
inclusion.
The RFP is out and proposal are due April 3. Please take a look and consider
applying to this track or
the other tracks dealing with social justice, organizational development, and
family constellations
Cheers,
Harrison Snow
programming chair
here is the link:
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Thank you Michael, I truly appreciate your synopsis. For some reason it feels
good to read this and opens my heart. I do feel that I am being called to
learn these processes.
Much love and appreciation to all of you who contributed.
Jack
PS I've ordered your recommended book from Amazon
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Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Entities, Attachments--Summary & More Thoughts
Hello,
It's been a long time since I posted here, and I'm late to this discussion.
Apologies for that. A lot of important points have been made in this thread:
- you tend to receive as client problems what you can handle or are being
asked to learn more about;
- there is personal risk involved in dealing with some energies;
- there are different kinds of attachments which do not "belong" in a person
or family's field;
- there are diffferent traditions and rituals for dealing with them;
- some clients who think there are attachments have instead normal systemic
issues.
Thanks to all who contributed.
But I agree with Elmear that this issue of "entities" is showing up more and
so will say a few things. I think the increase right now involves the fact
that the struggle for the fate of Mother Earth is reaching certain climactic
points. So it's important.
Like Liz and Laure and others, my training in these matters preceded
involvement with constellations. It took place during and after an
apprenticeship to indigenous and mixed blood teachers 1986-93. Part of the
"training" involved being attacked and surviving. What follows relates to my
ways, and things may be different for other workers. it is long but perhaps
of value.
In my experience there are different kinds of attachments ranging from
- relatively benign to highly malevolent,
- and from unintelligent energy forms spun off by ritual or perticularly
intense loves or hates
- to highly conscious and sophisticated beings.
- and also at times just extremely strong archetypes or "curses" with long
histories affecting some family
Examples of the last one can be found in Schutzenberger's THE ANCESTOR
SYNDROME.
Yes some entities are simply human souls who failed to transition after
sudden death. Not all atachments are probematic. A couple of my shamanic
teachers had strongly attached "helpers." Sometimes a grandmother hangs out
in the field of a beloved granddaughter until her own issue is resolved and
her descendant has been helped past some obstacle. A twin lost in the womb or
at birth will stay with his or her sibling at times
I don't see the human soul so much as a distinct thing, but rather more of a
diffuse energy field with central parts that deeply "belong" and more
peripheral parts that have collected in various ways for better or for worse.
There are various kinds of psychic symbiosis. This in my mind is similar to
situations in family systems at times. For instance, a man's living or lost
combat buddies become part of the family system, but at times not to the same
degree as parents, children, etc.
The most comprehensive book written about entitities and attachments to
individuals that I know of is William Baldwin's SPIRIT RELEASEMENT
THERAPY--which i recommend if you are a reader.
Personally, I won't undertake this kind of work in an open workshop, but only
either in private or with an advanced group of helpers. It can be too
frightening for others in the workshop. And fear is often the first inroad to
attachment. It is very important not to spread fear in talking about these
things. We all have psychic immune systems.
If something truly foreign and problematic is active in the field of a person
or ancestral family, it can typically only be there by virtue of unhealed
traumas that it can exacerbate and feed off of. So the general form of a
clearing involves
- work healing the traumas (attachment points),
- separating the outside energy temporarily, enough to determine if the
client is truly willing to let it go,
- moving the outside energy on its way (if the client so chooses),
- and filling the void it left in the client with local positive as opposed
to outside negative energies.
Not all necessarily all in that simple linear order.
Christian excorcists it seems felt their job was to send a malevolent outside
energy "to hell"; new age practitioners tend to try to send the energy "into
the light." The function of me and the angels and totems that support me in
this work is offer a choice. It an energy wishes to enter the light, we can
do ritual and help. If it's fate is to continue to spread pain and thereby
challenge others to grow, then it may depart. But it cannot stay here.
We do not "command," in our way. We simply present a force of compassionate
love and light and establish a "thou shalt not cross barrier." Then there are
various rituals to to cleanse and make sure that barrier remains secure
afterwards.
This involves a metaphysics in which, as some here have said, light exists at
the center of everything, and darkness has its sacred role in challenging the
universe to evolve. Malevolent ones are "the dark teachers" to us. Extremely
nasty sometims, but still just teachers.
One way to conceptualize the more malevolent entities is to imagine beings
that have been multiply retraumatized. I think of them as layer upon layer of
dashed hopes and bitter losses around the same wounding. So much so that
their only solace is to spread their pain as much as possible. The goal of
the truly malevolent ones with respect to you the healing facilitator as well
is not to be helped out of their hole, but rather to pull you in with them.
I repeat what others have said: not everyone can or should undertake heavier
aspects of this work. Personally, it has been costly for me at times and at
times I can't do any more of it for a while. I regard it as a calling, not so
much something one decides to do, and it can be a rough road at times. Still,
given the world in its present state of crisis, I think more of us have to be
willing to walk this path.
But it also follows from all this that facilitators might find themselves
perfectly capable of dealing with some forms of attachments, while best
referring others elsewhere. An innocent lost human soul attached in confusion
may be very grateful to be aided in going into the light, for instance.
Sending love and energy to this group, even though I have not been around for
a while.
Michael
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On Feb 2, 2017, at 9:45 AM, jack blackwell travelerjbjb@xxxxxxxxx
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Robert, with due respect,
I've got a client who has wanted to die for much of 16 years because his
entire life is being impacted by something he does not understand. Since he
was 8 years old. Every aspect of his life is severely marginalized.
I don't understand it because our society shuns conversations about it. The
cultural story is that these things are non-existant or dangerous. So I have
posed the question and am learning.
Am I concerned about working with an energy like this, absolutely. Am I
concerned for representative safety, absolutely. Do I want whatever is
effecting my client to attach to someone else in the room, no.
I am fine with my fears, though I am not sure I would call them borderline.
And from this thread I realize that I will refer this client out and I am
developing a healthy respect for these energies and am open to seeing them as
lost rather than dark. Though there may be some truth in them being dark or
malevolent.
Sincerely, Jack
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Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] entities, dark forces, attachments, etc &
Family Constellations
Dark Entities. The corrosive effect of fear on human consciousness seems tobe
manifest is this thread about entities. I do feel and consider it is ofutmost
importance to respect, allow and not deny feelings and experienceshowever
irrational or borderline they may be. It is no surprise towitness
facilitators becoming personally overwhelmed by delusional, trauma andfear
driven imagery. Luckily the main game is to give some space, voice
andacceptance to all this elements in our psyche. What a wonderful field to
playin. Best wishes to all,Robert
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:01 AM, Nancy Tung nancytung88@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:nancytung88@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
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I am following this thread with great interest. Thanks for bringing it up,
Jack!
When I was new in Constellation, I was quite fearful of dark entities because
I would not know what to do with them.
As my experience grew, I noticed they are energies in need of been seen,
heard, and a place to belong just like the rest of us. When their needs are
met, they turn benevolent and peaceful.
I would be interested to learn from Laure how to de-posses without using
words for the client. Thank you very much!
Nancy
Nancy Tung RNHolistic Wellness PractitionerHelping people liberate from their
chronic pain and let life blossom!NancyTung.com <http://nancytung.com/>
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Laure Porch� laure.porche@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:laure.porche@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@
yahoogroups.com <http://yahoogroups.com/>> wrote:
Hi Jack,
My experience is, if this shows up repeatedly for you, it's probably because
you have the capacity to hold that specific Field. I agree with Anngwyn in
the sense that if the client is asking specifically for depossession, it is
better to refer him to someone who does that outside of constellation (I have
names if you need them). But I find that very often for me (and probably
because I am trained in this), possession issues show up in constellations
without the client being aware of what is going on. In this case, I do the
depossession via the constellation, without necessarily using the word with
the client, as it can be traumatic.
Since you seem to be attracting a lot of these cases, I would recommend
taking Betsy Bergstrom Compassionate Depossession training if you're not
already trained in this. She's also a trained FC facilitator. I'd be happy to
talk more about this in private if you wish. My email: laure.porche@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:laure.porche@xxxxxxxxx> or phone 3476065526 Blessings,
Laure
On 01/02/2017 08:00, jack blackwell travelerjbjb@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:travelerjbjb@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk] wrote:
Over the past 8 months, since I've opened my mind a bit more, I've had a
number of clients approach me regarding entities and feeling they had
beings/entities attached to them.
I'm cautious about working with these forces. Though I do believe
Constellations can help.
Questions
Do any of you have experience working with these issues and if so what
results have you experienced?
How do you create a safe enough space to work in these realms? For the
representatives too? (I'm concerned about representatives carrying these
energies)
I want to be of service and I believe constellations can help, but I have to
make it safe enough for all concerned. This is my top priority.
Thank you for your input
Jack
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Connecting Spirit & Psychology ~ Creates Profound Insights & Healing
Family Constellation Workshops & Trainings, Group & Private Therapy Offerings
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Dear friends:
Recently I was part of a workshop led by another colleague, and we had in
the group a blind person.
Even when I use to work via phone, and I'm confortable with auditive
process, It was a very interesting situation because I was confronted with
the tradition and habits of our "constellation language", with phrases as
"to see", "where are you looking at", etc. Again, I wasn't facilitating,
but I was very in to the process.
Beyond the specific issue of this Client (a very interesting one, lead with
plenty of love from my colleague), I wondering how many times something
like that occurs, and if you have experiences with blind clients at
individual or group session.
What I've learnt was how the full person is full of resources, and the
importance of being in tune with his/her (and his/her resources), in order
to invite them to appear and not to limit them. It was beautiful to see the
Client "sensing the air", moving her fingertips during the constellation.
So, I'm very interested in your experiences about it.
Hugs from Peru,
Julio
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