Re: [ConstellationTalk] Digest Number 2948

From: VICTOR VELASCO <diplomadoconstelaciones@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:04:38 +0000 (UTC)

EXCUSE ME. IF YOU WANT THE TRASVESTIST, TRNSGENDER AND TRANSEXUAL guide,
please, writte me diretly and i send it.

    El viernes, 9 de febrero de 2018 9:30:05 GMT-5,
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:

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15 Messages
  Digest #2948            1a    Hi   by "uma palsuledesai"          2a    Re:
Appropriate offerings for a Constellation Taster evening   by "Jeffrey Rich"
    2b    Re: Appropriate offerings for a Constellation Taster evening   by
"kcurran@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"        2c    Re: Appropriate offerings for a
Constellation Taster evening   by "Harrison Snow"          3a    Navigating
Co-Facilitation   by "Jeffrey Rich"        3b    Re: Navigating Co-Facilitation
  by "Heiki Eesmaa" heiki_e        3c    Re: Navigating Co-Facilitation   by
"Jeffrey Rich"          4a    REMINDER: Nature Constellations this Sat 2/10/18
- 1pm-4pm Topanga S   by "sarah priest"        4b    Re: REMINDER: Nature
Constellations this Sat 2/10/18 - 1pm-4pm Topan   by "Chris Walsh"
constellationflow        4c    Re: REMINDER: Nature Constellations this Sat
2/10/18 - 1pm-4pm Topan   by "Leslie Nipps"        4d    Re: REMINDER: Nature
Constellations this Sat 2/10/18 - 1pm-4pm Topan   by "Chris Walsh"
constellationflow          5a    co-facilitating   by "Anngwyn"        5b
Re: co-facilitating   by "Elmar Dornberger" elmar_dornberger          6
sending the TTT guide part 2 bis   by "VICTOR VELASCO" diplomadoconstelaciones
        7    Constellation talk post on addiction   by "David Gmail"


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1a

   Hi

Mon Feb 5, 2018 1:09 am (PST) . Posted by:

   "uma palsuledesai"
     Hi

Sent from my iPhone

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   Re: Appropriate offerings for a Constellation Taster evening

Tue Feb 6, 2018 7:34 am (PST) . Posted by:

   "Jeffrey Rich"
     Dear everyone,

Thank you for all of your excellent advice and input about introducing
constellations to a group of people!

I wanted to follow up that I had also found an un-looked-for resource that
has been helpful in helping me prepare for my first Constellation Taster
Evening in my new hometown: a book entitled "Conceptual Constellations" by
Joy Manné, Ph.D. In it she describes setting up non-personal constellations
around situations such as "The Mother of the Bride", "The Illegitimate
Child", "The Unfaithful Spouse", etc. She also describes setting up things
like The Hero's Journey, Fairy Tales, Dreams and things like that.

Dr. Manné's approach in this tiny book is about exploring archetypes and
archetypical situations, especially those which are active in many
families. My hope is that this will allow a deep experience for
participants while not delving into any personal work directly.
Interestingly, she has a little chapter on using chairs to represent people
and concepts. I had to use chairs when I was just beginning to facilitate,
mostly because we had such small groups! They are amazingly effective.

Thank you again for all of your input and help.

Best,
Jeffrey

*"**What is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?"* ~Mary
Oliver

*"**Our task is not to look for love, *
* but simply to track down all the obstacles that we have put in the way
of love."* ~Rumi

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Jeffrey Rich <jeffrey.rich@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Thank you, Erin :-)

I'll give this a try.

Best,
Jeffrey

Living Energy Technologies, LLC
Sophisticated Energy Medicine and Advanced, Professional Bodywork.

Jeffrey Rich BS, LMBT #16954
www.livingenergy.life | www.waterwillowmoon.com tel. (828)222-0763
<(828)%20222-0763>
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Oliver

*"**Our task is not to look for love, *
* but simply to track down all the obstacles that we have put in the
way of love."* ~Rumi

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 4:52 PM, Erin Lewis erinjoylewis@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Jeffrey - I do a simple “me,she, and he” which involves groups of
three . One person stands in front -me. One person stands behind on left
as mother - she. And the third stands behind on right as father - he. I
give them five minutes to just stand in silence - and then they switch. I
walk the room helping where needed.
Everyone understands how it feels as a seeker, a rep, and their family of
origin after this. We run a quick share circle .
I use this as a taster and also for warm up.

Sent from my iPhone

On 26/01/2018, at 6:28 AM, Gertrud Yasutake gy1800@xxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello, Jeffrey

Gabriella Borkan introduced us to constellations with this exercise: on
pieces of paper write the names of the members of your family of origin.
Every person in your family gets one paper. On the back of each paper
write what you think this particular member contributed to the family. Mark
where the front of the person is. Lay the papers out as they relate to each
other.

At this point the room was filled with each participant’s
mini-constellation. Then she directed us to stand on each paper to feel the
body’s reactions and other sensations that may come. In my case, I had
seen my father as the patriarch of two families (8 children with 1st and
2nd wife). When I stood on his paper I started to sway and felt very
unstable. Needless to say, when she asked us to report after this exercise
we were all moved and astonished by the differences in our concepts and
what the constellations made us feel.

All the best!

Gertrud Yasutake

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*Sent:* Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:37 AM
*To:* ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [ConstellationTalk] Appropriate offerings for a Constellation
Taster evening

Good day!

I would like to solicit conversation from folks here about appropriate
constellations one might offer during a "Constellations Taster" evening.
The purpose of the taster evening is to introduce constellation work to a
group. It is not to dive into work.

Could you tell me what has worked for you, and what pitfalls you've
encountered while using this approach?

Thank you,

Jeffrey

Living Energy Technologies, LLC

Sophisticated Energy Medicine and Advanced, Professional Bodywork.

Jeffrey Rich BS, LMBT #16954
www.livingenergy.life | www.waterwillowmoon.com
<http://www..waterwillowmoon...com/> tel. (828)222-0763
<(828)%20222-0763>

Massage Therapist, Constellations Facilitator, Shamanic Practitioner,
Teacher

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* but simply to track down all the obstacles that we have put in the
way of love."* ~Rumi

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2b

   Re: Appropriate offerings for a Constellation Taster evening

Tue Feb 6, 2018 7:55 am (PST) . Posted by:

   "kcurran@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
     Jeffrey:

Thanks for this resource. We used this technique of using archetypal
constellations during Bertold Ulsamer’s trauma constellation training to set up
a situation of rape. A question had arisen about how a daughter of a rape
survivor would react vs. a son of a rape survivor. It was a very powerful
constellation and one of my most vivid memories from the training.

At the time, I didn’t know there was such a thing as archetypal constellations
and I wondered why it was so powerful. This explains it.

Katherine

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 6, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Jeffrey Rich jeffrey.rich@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dear everyone,

Thank you for all of your excellent advice and input about introducing
constellations to a group of people!

I wanted to follow up that I had also found an un-looked-for resource that
has been helpful in helping me prepare for my first Constellation Taster
Evening in my new hometown: a book entitled "Conceptual Constellations" by
Joy Manné, Ph.D. In it she describes setting up non-personal constellations
around situations such as "The Mother of the Bride", "The Illegitimate
Child", "The Unfaithful Spouse", etc. She also describes setting up things
like The Hero's Journey, Fairy Tales, Dreams and things like that.

Dr. Manné's approach in this tiny book is about exploring archetypes and
archetypical situations, especially those which are active in many families.
My hope is that this will allow a deep experience for participants while not
delving into any personal work directly. Interestingly, she has a little
chapter on using chairs to represent people and concepts. I had to use chairs
when I was just beginning to facilitate, mostly because we had such small
groups! They are amazingly effective.

Thank you again for all of your input and help.

Best,
Jeffrey

"What is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?" ~Mary Oliver

"Our task is not to look for love,
but simply to track down all the obstacles that we have put in the way of
love." ~Rumi

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Jeffrey Rich <jeffrey.rich@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thank you, Erin :-)

I'll give this a try.

Best,
Jeffrey

Living Energy Technologies, LLC
Sophisticated Energy Medicine and Advanced, Professional Bodywork.

Jeffrey Rich BS, LMBT #16954
www.livingenergy.life | www.waterwillowmoon.com tel. (828)222-0763
Massage Therapist, Constellations Facilitator, Shamanic Practitioner, Teacher
Sign up for my Events Newsletter

"What is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?" ~Mary
Oliver

"Our task is not to look for love,
but simply to track down all the obstacles that we have put in the way of
love." ~Rumi

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 4:52 PM, Erin Lewis erinjoylewis@xxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Jeffrey - I do a simple “me,she, and he” which involves groups of three
. One person stands in front -me. One person stands behind on left as
mother - she. And the third stands behind on right as father - he. I give
them five minutes to just stand in silence - and then they switch. I walk
the room helping where needed.

Everyone understands how it feels as a seeker, a rep, and their family of
origin after this. We run a quick share circle .
I use this as a taster and also for warm up.

Sent from my iPhone

On 26/01/2018, at 6:28 AM, Gertrud Yasutake gy1800@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello, Jeffrey

Gabriella Borkan introduced us to constellations with this exercise: on
pieces of paper write the names of the members of your family of origin.
Every person in your family gets one paper. On the back of each paper
write what you think this particular member contributed to the family.
Mark where the front of the person is. Lay the papers out as they relate
to each other.

At this point the room was filled with each participant’s
mini-constellation. Then she directed us to stand on each paper to feel
the body’s reactions and other sensations that may come. In my case, I had
seen my father as the patriarch of two families (8 children with 1st and
2nd wife). When I stood on his paper I started to sway and felt very
unstable. Needless to say, when she asked us to report after this exercise
we were all moved and astonished by the differences in our concepts and
what the constellations made us feel.

All the best!

Gertrud Yasutake

From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] ;
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:37 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Appropriate offerings for a Constellation
Taster evening

Good day!

I would like to solicit conversation from folks here about appropriate
constellations one might offer during a "Constellation s Taster" evening.
The purpose of the taster evening is to introduce constellation work to a
group. It is not to dive into work.

Could you tell me what has worked for you, and what pitfalls you've
encountered while using this approach?

Thank you,

Jeffrey

Living Energy Technologies, LLC

Sophisticated Energy Medicine and Advanced, Professional Bodywork.

Jeffrey Rich BS, LMBT #16954
www.livingenergy. life | www.waterwillowmoon .com tel. (828)222-0763

Massage Therapist, Constellations Facilitator, Shamanic Practitioner,
Teacher

Sign up for my Events Newsletter

"What is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?" ~Mary
Oliver

"Our task is not to look for love,

but simply to track down all the obstacles that we have put in the way of
love." ~Rumi

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   Re: Appropriate offerings for a Constellation Taster evening

Tue Feb 6, 2018 8:16 am (PST) . Posted by:

   "Harrison Snow"
     Thanks Katherine and Jeffery for this reminder of how the archetypes live
within us.

I was one of the reps for that archetypal constellation at Berthold's training
and found it deeply

meaningful on many levels.

Warmly,

Harrison

________________________________
From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of 'kcurran@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx' kcurran@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 10:55 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Appropriate offerings for a Constellation
Taster evening

Jeffrey:

Thanks for this resource. We used this technique of using archetypal
constellations during Bertold Ulsamer�s trauma constellation training to set up
a situation of rape. A question had arisen about how a daughter of a rape
survivor would react vs. a son of a rape survivor. It was a very powerful
constellation and one of my most vivid memories from the training.

At the time, I didn�t know there was such a thing as archetypal constellations
and I wondered why it was so powerful. This explains it.

Katherine

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 6, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Jeffrey Rich
jeffrey.rich@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:jeffrey.rich@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:

Dear everyone,

Thank you for all of your excellent advice and input about introducing
constellations to a group of people!

I wanted to follow up that I had also found an un-looked-for resource that has
been helpful in helping me prepare for my first Constellation Taster Evening in
my new hometown: a book entitled "Conceptual Constellations" by Joy Mann�,
Ph.D. In it she describes setting up non-personal constellations around
situations such as "The Mother of the Bride", "The Illegitimate Child", "The
Unfaithful Spouse", etc. She also describes setting up things like The Hero's
Journey, Fairy Tales, Dreams and things like that.

Dr. Mann�'s approach in this tiny book is about exploring archetypes and
archetypical situations, especially those which are active in many families. My
hope is that this will allow a deep experience for participants while not
delving into any personal work directly. Interestingly, she has a little
chapter on using chairs to represent people and concepts. I had to use chairs
when I was just beginning to facilitate, mostly because we had such small
groups! They are amazingly effective.

Thank you again for all of your input and help.

Best,
Jeffrey

"What is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?" ~Mary Oliver

"Our task is not to look for love,
but simply to track down all the obstacles that we have put in the way of
love." ~Rumi

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Jeffrey Rich
<jeffrey.rich@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:jeffrey.rich@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Thank you, Erin :-)

I'll give this a try.

Best,
Jeffrey

[https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1HQMiDPj1427JqzSTcEhF71B2NtANjaq7&revid=0B3YuhxSgo0lYUDhGV1BWYVc5UG9pR3BIek05VUN0Q3FMK2s4PQ]
Living Energy Technologies, LLC
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"Our task is not to look for love,
but simply to track down all the obstacles that we have put in the way of
love." ~Rumi

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 4:52 PM, Erin Lewis
erinjoylewis@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:erinjoylewis@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:

Hi Jeffrey - I do a simple �me,she, and he� which involves groups of three .
One person stands in front -me. One person stands behind on left as mother -
she. And the third stands behind on right as father - he. I give them five
minutes to just stand in silence - and then they switch. I walk the room
helping where needed.

Everyone understands how it feels as a seeker, a rep, and their family of
origin after this. We run a quick share circle .
I use this as a taster and also for warm up.

Sent from my iPhone

On 26/01/2018, at 6:28 AM, Gertrud Yasutake
gy1800@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:gy1800@xxxxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:

Hello, Jeffrey

Gabriella Borkan introduced us to constellations with this exercise: on pieces
of paper write the names of the members of your family of origin. Every person
in your family gets one paper. On the back of each paper write what you think
this particular member contributed to the family. Mark where the front of the
person is. Lay the papers out as they relate to each other..

At this point the room was filled with each participant�s mini-constellation.
Then she directed us to stand on each paper to feel the body�s reactions and
other sensations that may come. In my case, I had seen my father as the
patriarch of two families (8 children with 1st and 2nd wife). When I stood on
his paper I started to sway and felt very unstable. Needless to say, when she
asked us to report after this exercise we were all moved and astonished by the
differences in our concepts and what the constellations made us feel.

All the best!

Gertrud Yasutake

________________________________

From:
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:37 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Appropriate offerings for a Constellation Taster
evening

Good day!

I would like to solicit conversation from folks here about appropriate
constellations one might offer during a "Constellations Taster" evening. The
purpose of the taster evening is to introduce constellation work to a group. It
is not to dive into work.

Could you tell me what has worked for you, and what pitfalls you've encountered
while using this approach?

Thank you,

Jeffrey

[https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1HQMiDPj1427JqzSTcEhF71B2NtANjaq7&revid=0B3YuhxSgo0lYUDhGV1BWYVc5UG9pR3BIek05VUN0Q3FMK2s4PQ]

Living Energy Technologies, LLC

Sophisticated Energy Medicine and Advanced, Professional Bodywork.

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   Navigating Co-Facilitation

Wed Feb 7, 2018 7:22 am (PST) . Posted by:

   "Jeffrey Rich"
     Dear Constellations Community,

I am asking you for discussion about co-facilitation.

What has worked well for you?

What have been the pitfalls you've encountered?

Do you have a suggested co-facilitation agreement between facilitators?

Thank you.
Jeffrey

Jeffrey Rich BS, LMBT #16954
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   Re: Navigating Co-Facilitation

Thu Feb 8, 2018 1:34 pm (PST) . Posted by:

   "Heiki Eesmaa" heiki_e
     Well, first pitfall for me was the training I had received that emphasized
hierarchy. There are articles (in a language other than English) describing
the three-tier power structure of the constellations group with the client
and facilitator at the top of the pyramid and the observers at the lowest.
Co-facilitation did not fit nicely into such image and was frowned upon.
With my rebellious mind that of course urged me to more to experiment than
to obey.

I did gain some insights from family therapy where various co-therapist,
consultant, supervisor positions are utilized and described. Also helpful
was Maurizio Andolfi's utilization of the identified patient as a
co-therapist. So reading up on some of this made things mentally more loose..

After that I found co-facilitating quite fruitful.

With a client group that we ran a couple of times the trouble we ran into
-- I believe that's a classic of group co-facilitation -- was not enough
preparation and processing. We ended up each doing our own thing. So that
was that group.

all the best
Heiki

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:21 PM, Jeffrey Rich jeffrey.rich@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dear Constellations Community,

I am asking you for discussion about co-facilitation.

What has worked well for you?

What have been the pitfalls you've encountered?

Do you have a suggested co-facilitation agreement between facilitators?

Thank you.
Jeffrey

Jeffrey Rich BS, LMBT #16954
www.livingenergy.life | www.waterwillowmoon.com tel. (828)222-0763
<(828)%20222-0763>
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Teacher
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   Re: Navigating Co-Facilitation

Thu Feb 8, 2018 2:33 pm (PST) . Posted by:

   "Jeffrey Rich"
     Thank you, Heiki :-)

Best,
Jeffrey

Living Energy Technologies, LLC
Sophisticated Energy Medicine and Advanced, Professional Bodywork.

Jeffrey Rich BS, LMBT #16954
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On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Heiki Eesmaa heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Well, first pitfall for me was the training I had received that emphasized
hierarchy. There are articles (in a language other than English) describing
the three-tier power structure of the constellations group with the client
and facilitator at the top of the pyramid and the observers at the lowest.
Co-facilitation did not fit nicely into such image and was frowned upon.
With my rebellious mind that of course urged me to more to experiment than
to obey.

I did gain some insights from family therapy where various co-therapist,
consultant, supervisor positions are utilized and described. Also helpful
was Maurizio Andolfi's utilization of the identified patient as a
co-therapist. So reading up on some of this made things mentally more loose.

After that I found co-facilitating quite fruitful.

With a client group that we ran a couple of times the trouble we ran into
-- I believe that's a classic of group co-facilitation -- was not enough
preparation and processing. We ended up each doing our own thing. So that
was that group.

all the best
Heiki

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:21 PM, Jeffrey Rich jeffrey.rich@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dear Constellations Community,

I am asking you for discussion about co-facilitation.

What has worked well for you?

What have been the pitfalls you've encountered?

Do you have a suggested co-facilitation agreement between facilitators?

Thank you.
Jeffrey

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<(828)%20222-0763>
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   REMINDER: Nature Constellations this Sat 2/10/18 - 1pm-4pm Topanga S

Thu Feb 8, 2018 7:48 am (PST) . Posted by:

   "sarah priest"
     Hi - Looking forward to Saturday - should be a beautiful "winter" day in
Topanga State Park. A quote from a recent constellation participant "I feel
relieved. Now I can go free."

I hope you can join us for healing and enjoying nature this Saturday. Please
see original invitation sent 2/2/10 for more details or call me at 310-455-3547
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   Re: REMINDER: Nature Constellations this Sat 2/10/18 - 1pm-4pm Topan

Thu Feb 8, 2018 12:52 pm (PST) . Posted by:

   "Chris Walsh" constellationflow
     This kind of promotion of local events is not appropriate for a world wide
forum such as constellation talk. Please do not do this.

Anyone who does will be automatically placed on moderation which means any
future posts will only go through after I a have had a chance to vet them

Cheers

Chris Walsh

Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9420 1425
www.mindfulness.org.au

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 2:47 AM, sarah priest Sarah@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi - Looking forward to Saturday - should be a beautiful "winter" day in
Topanga State Park. A quote from a recent constellation participant "I
feel relieved. Now I can go free."

I hope you can join us for healing and enjoying nature this Saturday.
Please see original invitation sent 2/2/10 for more details or call me at
310-455-3547 or text 310-403-2503. Sending love, Sarah P.

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   Re: REMINDER: Nature Constellations this Sat 2/10/18 - 1pm-4pm Topan

Thu Feb 8, 2018 1:01 pm (PST) . Posted by:

   "Leslie Nipps"
     Does this apply to everybody? Because there have been some folk doing a
lot of promoting that I�ve noticed haven�t been getting this kind of reminder.
Just wondering. Thanks!

The Rev. Leslie Nipps
Convivium Constellations - Founder, Practitioner & Trainer
www.conviviumconstellations.com

Ask me about the West Coast Constellations Intensive, May 30-June 3, 2018,
www.westcoastconstellations.com

"Hasten to that which supports." - The I Ching

On Feb 8, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Chris Walsh chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

This kind of promotion of local events is not appropriate for a world wide
forum such as constellation talk. Please do not do this.

Anyone who does will be automatically placed on moderation which means any
future posts will only go through after I a have had a chance to vet them

Cheers

Chris Walsh

Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9420 1425
www.mindfulness.org.au

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 2:47 AM, sarah priest Sarah@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi - Looking forward to Saturday - should be a beautiful "winter" day in
Topanga State Park. A quote from a recent constellation participant "I feel
relieved. Now I can go free."

I hope you can join us for healing and enjoying nature this Saturday. Please
see original invitation sent 2/2/10 for more details or call me at 310-455-3547
or text 310-403-2503. Sending love, Sarah P.

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   Re: REMINDER: Nature Constellations this Sat 2/10/18 - 1pm-4pm Topan

Thu Feb 8, 2018 1:06 pm (PST) . Posted by:

   "Chris Walsh" constellationflow
     Yes this does apply to everyone Lesley

I haven't been able to monitor as closely as I would have liked which is
why some of these have slipped through. Interestingly it is almost always
from the USA which I think is reflective of the culture there - a sense of
entitlement and a feeling of being the center of the universe. Could be
something to look at.

Cheers

Chris Walsh

Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9420 1425
www.mindfulness.org.au

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Leslie Nipps lnipps@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Does this apply to everybody? Because there have been some folk doing a
lot of promoting that I’ve noticed haven’t been getting this kind of
reminder. Just wondering. Thanks!

The Rev. Leslie Nipps
Convivium Constellations - Founder, Practitioner & Trainer
www.conviviumconstellations.com

Ask me about the West Coast Constellations Intensive, May 30-June 3, 2018,
www.westcoastconstellations.com

"Hasten to that which supports." - The I Ching

On Feb 8, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Chris Walsh chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

This kind of promotion of local events is not appropriate for a world wide
forum such as constellation talk. Please do not do this.

Anyone who does will be automatically placed on moderation which means any
future posts will only go through after I a have had a chance to vet them

Cheers

Chris Walsh

Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9420 1425
www.mindfulness.org.au

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 2:47 AM, sarah priest Sarah@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi - Looking forward to Saturday - should be a beautiful "winter" day in
Topanga State Park. A quote from a recent constellation participant "I
feel relieved. Now I can go free."

I hope you can join us for healing and enjoying nature this Saturday.
Please see original invitation sent 2/2/10 for more details or call me at
310-455-3547 or text 310-403-2503. Sending love, Sarah P.

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   co-facilitating

Thu Feb 8, 2018 3:49 pm (PST) . Posted by:

   "Anngwyn"
     Greetings from Arizona !

  I think that co-facilating is a great way to learn and share skills and that
it works best when both are very clear as to precisely why they decide to work
together. Early on in the 1990s and after that I learned a lot about SCW by
co-facilitating with some of my  German colleagues who are also friends who
wanted to learn more about trauma.  This was greatly beneficial to both .
Working with Karl-Heinz has been quite different in that we began with me
focusing on trauma and leaving the most of the constellating to him and after
awhile we realized that this was not working and so now  we do not
differentiate, at all except for the  "Healing Voices" shamanic dimensions.
This was an adjustment for me which is still evolving as is our work together
which will continue as long as we both benefit, along with our students and
clients.  Also, when we are working together with focus on the collective, and
such huge,wide ranging,  highly charged topics the scope of the work is much
more manageable with two of us.

I also think that a key factor in successful collaboration requires  clear
communication,a degree of mutual trust and respect,as well as a clear avoidance
any kind of competitive agenda or dynamic.

All for now,

Anngwyn St.Just Ph.D.
www.acst-international.com
http://anngwyn.wisrville.org
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   Re: co-facilitating

Thu Feb 8, 2018 5:55 pm (PST) . Posted by:

   "Elmar Dornberger" elmar_dornberger
     I had a partner for a number of years and I enjoyed that a lot.. Specially
for doing several constellations in a row. We would not facilitate at the same
time since we were tuned into different things. So one would facilitate and the
other would sense the room, other participants or observers to notice what else
might be activated and wanted to be acknowledged.

We also did organizational constellations were that was even more important,
since in organizational work there are more systems present than the family.
Every person's family is present plus the organizational dynamic and layers of
that.

It does help to have a clear structure and understanding when co-facilitating.
Like not stepping in when something doesn't go the way you imagined it. Only
helping when asked. I found whispering to each other distracting and the
audience thinking we had secrets.

It does give the individual facilitator more space to reflect and be present I
thought.

Yours,
Elmar

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On Feb 8, 2018, at 4:48 PM, Anngwyn anngwyn@xxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Greetings from Arizona !

I think that co-facilating is a great way to learn and share skills and that
it works best when both are very clear as to precisely why they decide to
work together. Early on in the 1990s and after that I learned a lot about SCW
by co-facilitating with some of my German colleagues who are also friends who
wanted to learn more about trauma. This was greatly beneficial to both .
Working with Karl-Heinz has been quite different in that we began with me
focusing on trauma and leaving the most of the constellating to him and after
awhile we realized that this was not working and so now we do not
differentiate, at all except for the "Healing Voices" shamanic dimensions.
This was an adjustment for me which is still evolving as is our work together
which will continue as long as we both benefit, along with our students and
clients. Also, when we are working together with focus on the collective, and
such huge,wide ranging, highly charged topics the scope of the work is much
more manageable with two of us.

I also think that a key factor in successful collaboration requires clear
communication,a degree of mutual trust and respect,as well as a clear
avoidance any kind of competitive agenda or dynamic.

All for now,

Anngwyn St.Just Ph.D.
www.acst-international.com <http://www.acst-international.com/>
http://anngwyn.wisrville.org ;<http://anngwyn.wisrville.org/>
anngwyn@xxxxxxx <mailto:anngwyn@xxxxxxx>

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   sending the TTT guide part 2 bis

Thu Feb 8, 2018 7:31 pm (PST) . Posted by:

   "VICTOR VELASCO" diplomadoconstelaciones
     Dear Collegues. Excuse me that I send in this way, but the system nost
permit me send  the information in only one file

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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   Constellation talk post on addiction

Fri Feb 9, 2018 6:29 am (PST) . Posted by:

   "David Gmail"
     I would love to read your paper on constellations and addiction.

David

David Slade
Arborist
Systemic Coach
Family Constellation Facilitator

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