RE: [ConstellationTalk] Re: What was it you wanted?

From: "Franz Kalab" <franz@xxxxxxxx>
To: <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:37:49 +0100

Gail, thanks for saying hallo and a lot for explaining!

After first feeling it, I now begin to understand where I slid in. Usually I
do not spend much time in town squares wherever. Often, those are not the
places where I find what I am looking for.

Yet if I meet a nice person, I may gladly invite her or him for a cup of
coffee or glass of beer for what may become a descent conversation.

Have a fine day, or evening!

Franz

From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gail
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:00 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Re: What was it you wanted?

Hi Franz,

Nice to meet you, no excuse for not saying hello earlier apart from not
really engaging in many group email responses at the moment. Tomas's
Town Square analogy makes a lot of sense to me here, (and hi Tomas who I
don't think I've said hi to before either)

Gail (from Perth in Western Australia)

--- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com> , "Franz Kalab" <franz@...>
wrote:

Dear Dan and all,

What <http://www.bobdylan.com/#/songs/what-was-it-you-wanted> was it

you

wanted?

The mode of conduct ´within here´ surprises me. It makes me feel

stumbling into and disturbing a cosy ´in-group
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroup> ´ at warming and sunbathing

itself in

its own highflying ideas, words and accompanying emotions, maybe
compensating else. Consequently, I wonder how even only to

´read´ your mail.

The only person here on CT, which kindly welcomed me in answer to my
self-introduction and at the same time acknowledged that I opened

myself

with sharing a personal view on the work, was Deborah. She responded

with

personal content to personal content that I as a newcomer had

´risked´

sharing. I answered her and opened myself to converse with her.

Chris Walsh also welcomed me when he added me to CT again. That's

it. Maybe

some mail was lost in cyberspace? I have yet received no welcome here

from

anyone else, no "hi", no "howdy", nothing.

You, dear Dan, entered the public conversation between Deborah and me

and

appeared to hang on to a minor detail, just one word that I had

mentioned to

her even only in brackets. Seemingly it triggered something within

you, and

you maybe just saw another opportunity to show to me and the group

what you

know. "So as not to overwhelm CT readers", you also pasted

"a small portion"

of something that you wrote before. How much than must you know...

To be honest, neither yours nor the group's conduct towards me so

far can

much trigger my interest for it, yet. I may be very interested in the

whole

of what you got after a little while and in a somewhat changed

context. I do

not doubt your academic achievement, competence and popularity in

certain

circles. Yet what does it mean to me who just arrived and just had

said a

kind of hallo? Are you aware of how your and the group's conduct

can come

across, for example cross-culturally like in my case? Does it matter

to you,

Dan, and to the others?

Compared to how people behave towards one another on other lists, and

particular towards newcomers, the behaviour I experience here on

entering

appears to me, I am sorry to say so, astonishingly poor, uneducated,

almost

... rude. I have not experienced such on any other list before.

As for me, CT and its parts, me inclusive, may consider why it treated

newcomer like me just as happened. If we do, let's not blame Bush

or Obama.

Smile. Could an individual and collective self-reflection about such

unspectacular issue, raise an awareness that might serve future

newcomers on

CT, CT as a whole and each of us individually, on still other lists

and

blogs, existing and upcoming, and maybe even lead to inviting still

others

to join, and make others want to join? Or is it already cosy enough

here?

Could such a seemingly simple and unspectacular thing as conscious

conduct

maybe even serve the whole of the systemic constellation movement and

its

further development?

As constellators have high flying hopes, ideas and emotions about
contributing to improving humanity, as I found expressed here since I
entered, and treat an evident single human being like I am treated

here on

entering, I wonder how long anybody will care to even only listen to
constellators. How would it be, if highly educated, distinguished,

popular

and intensely spiritual constellators could be aware, also outside of

the

venerated systemic constellation act, of also what can be nearest at

hand,

of something maybe as earthly and unimposing as an outstretched hand

of just

another ordinary human being?

Being a European male, born and raised in Vienna, having lived,

studied and

worked on three continents in various nations and cultures,

internationally

and multi-culturally most of my life, seventeen years within

multinational

firms and organizations of US origin, employing the web professionally

and

privately since twenty years, I can still appreciate a minimum of form

and

conduct, politeness, tact, courtesy, even chivalry. Fortunately, such

still wide spread and common among many humans of different races and
cultures who share this globe, among which I find myself usually.

Though, it

also is threatened in various ways...

I vote for ´first things first´, sure on an international and

multi-cultural

platform and list, in particular on one about systemic constellations.

I am

committed to good conduct within ISCA-network

<http://www.isca-network.org/>

, too.

With very kind regards, a hopeful and winning smile and

with a very warm Shalom from the heart of the historic Amsterdam

Jewish

quarter "De Jordaan",

Franz

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References:
- What was it you wanted?
  - From: Franz Kalab
- Re: What was it you wanted?
  - From: Gail

RE: [ConstellationTalk] Re: What was it you wanted?

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