Dear Margreet,
your words make the sound much easier to hear . And on a related note,"When
therapy was a child it did the things of a child".
Thanks so much for the clarity your chosen words bring.
Joseph,drjmpirone@xxxxxxx
On Thursday, February 08, 2007, at 05:42AM, "Margreet Mossel"
<margreetmossel@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Daniel, Good to hear from you. What you write are interesting thoughts,
it makes me think of how I look at our work at the moment.
What I see when I watch Bert doing spiritual constellations is not so much
different from what I have seen him doing the last few years. But now he
names it differently. One of the sentences I read in the handout is: you do
not set up the family context but you look at the one or two elements that
are essential from the universal context (he means that these people come to
his mind after he has been sitting very well centred and with love for
everyone in his heart for a while next to the person who has come to him for
the next step) You place these people and you don't need to know who they
are. The representatives stay in contact with the level of the spirit or the
soul (depending on what definition you use) and move on their impulse. This
impulse is slow and irresistible. The impulse that moves them is the spirit,
it works through the representatives. (and this is different from a
facilitator thinking: this is the next step! It is more inspired) Then a
reconciliation takes place or it becomes obvious that a third person needs
to be placed (e.g. if it is an overtaken guilt or so) You don't ask the
representatives anything, you rely on the observation. Another form that he
described was the inner work: Bert sits with the person and is in the same
universal love and resonance and he says one sentence or one word. Then the
person goes back to his place. Again the observation is enough to sense the
incredible effect this can have on a person. Even if you don't know what or
who it is about. But in every constellation we don't really know what it is
about, only for the client it is clear.
To me it seems that this is the next stage of development that you reach if
you keep practising the resonance, centring, universal love, non-judgement
and observation etc. So for me it is not so much the new way of doing
constellations but the advanced way. If I look at myself, it is the same
spirit that has guided me all the time from my birth on, but as I develop
myself, I understand the spirit better and the spirit can give me more
advanced lessons. One day I read a very old book from Hellinger (ahum! We
talk about only twenty years ago) where he published letters that he wrote
to people who asked for his help. And for me this is pure spirit (or soul if
you want) that has inspired him to write the exact right few words that were
necessary, without knowing or understanding the story behind it.
I like to compare it with music. We can all sense that Mozart was an
inspired composer. And we can also sense that he composed more advance work
when he was an adult than when he was a child. But still we call all his
music Mozart and not 'the new Mozart'. Mozart was available as a channel
through which the universe could poor down some really good stuff and when
the channel became more refined the music was even more brilliant. It feels
good and somehow soothing to me to realise that Mozart's work is still an
inspiration long after he himself is gone and long after the quarrels about
his genius are silenced. And long after the time when there were people who
claimed to be better musicians because they has lessons (and diploma's?) by
Mozart himself. And still we don't understand his genius and we don't
understand the process by which he composed and still this same spirit
conducts the world.
When I first met Mattias Varga many years ago he already spoke about the
grammar of the language of constellation work. I loved the metaphor and I
loved to look at my work in this way. And it made me see how Bert is an
excellent teacher in this grammar (he was a teacher already, that helps, I
think) Every time Bert has a seminar with colleagues he is so clear about
the different stages of becoming centred and in resonance and about the art
of helping. He describes all the different ways of constellations in detail
and you only have to follow his recipe to get one step further and get the
result yourself. Like playing the piano: a good teacher learns you how to
study. This is also the reason why I developed some practical ways (my
background as a physiotherapist has prepared me well for this) to work on
yourself, your resonance and your body during the process of finding a
deeper understanding and higher level of consciousness (in doing
constellations or in working with people) (This is also the subject of the
workshop I will give in Koln)
In developing a seminar about the metaphysics of/and the systemic work I
realised that there are many ways and levels to 'help' some one. There is a
different energy in all the following intentions towards a client: I see it
- I look at you - I see you - I look with you - I see them - I see them all.
OK, that is enough philosophy for today, back to work again
With love
Margreet Mossel
www.opstellingen.com <http://www.opstellingen.com/>
the Netherlands
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Verzonden: dinsdag 6 februari 2007 4:05
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Onderwerp: [ConstellationTalk] Spiritual FC
Spiritual FC? so, the old devil keeps on expanding and creating and
discovering. I traveled with him by some countries un South America, I wrote
about that, and friends, I don't understand where does he get his strength.
I, with my 36, was more tired than him by the 3rd country.
Well, I didn't have the chance to see this Spiritual FC. He kept the
surprise for his Bday.
Reading Max's recount, I have these thoughts.
I have seen in Europe some of the other developments in the organizational
course in Holland. Too many instructors were always making direct or
indirect criticisms to H. The missiles were directed most of all to that
dimension of FC nach Hellinger, that deals with "Black Magic" the
mysterious, the Ineffable. Oh! so slippery a fish.
One of them, a guru of the organizational approach, made clear one of the
most fundamental prejudice of the opposition:
We have found that FC are a language, so we go after its "grammar". We
decode the grammar and then we can teach it. We want to be able to teach it
like a language can be taught, and can be learned by any one. So we avoid
having a "shaman" in a privileged position, owning a knowledge only for the
chosen ones.
God, what a Mc'donalisation of FC. Will they pack it with happy toys?
I told him: So, there really is a grammar, yes, like a language, yes, and
like a language it can be learned by every one who wants it, yes... good I
said, but... the fact that your students can definitely learn english... how
many will be Shakespeare?
I didn't like at all that Marie Sophie called H, in Spain, too many times
and too intently, the Great Shaman! But hell, he is a kind of shaman, and
hell again FC is closer to shamanism than to psychology or systemic
something.
Castaneda was also working out the grammar of sorcery:
Do you think we are equal Carlitos?.... Of course don Juan, we are equal,
said the mister anthropologist to his grammar study subject, don Juan.
No, he said. No? No, you are a petty a**hole while I am an impeccable
warrior.
I can not think of FC as other than "the way of the warrior". Grammar is
only the platform to make a mortal jump into the Unknown and come back with
your sanity.
I use the word grammar here, to all those aspects that are visible,
measurable, technical, even, may God forgive me, SYSTEMIC.
Take the "Spirit"(the Ineffable, the "shamanic") out FC, and you will have
Romeo & Juliet into a computer user's manual, ha! maybe helpful for
connecting the mouse, but then what? Oh! why can't we stand greatness?
The Ineffable can not be taught, that is why I run after the master in Spain
after he said he will become teacher and will teach and give diplomas. And
told him, trembling and sweating of course, how could I tell this to my
beloved master... I told him that it was late for me already, that I was too
Hellingerean to belive in diplomas...
Guess what he told me?
well friends, do I write too long letters? just tell me.
Daniel.
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