So well said dr. Dan... we are all boats on the ocean...we will never be able
to pour the ocean in the little hole we make in the sand ...rough hew it as we
will...even more so fate just might shape our phenomenologies rough publish
them as we will..in the humility and brother sisterhood of that awareness, we
serve and are served, love and are loved...the Spirit as wind goeth where it
will...
Enneapsychodramatics
Dr.Joseph M. Pirone 2018033080
On Monday, February 11, 2008, at 11:19AM, "Dan Booth Cohen" <danbcohen@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
The idea that I proposed is being well illustrated in the discussion that
followed. I not sure it is being well understood, so I will re-state.
I wrote: "If you were to pose the question [What is a Constellation?] to a
scientist, a Jungian, and a shaman, each might answer according to their own
world view."
Kenn, a practicing Shaman, jumped to the bait: "Why are we trying to
determine the theory?
Rita adds: "Is it not the space in which someone comes from when
facilitating?" Yes. This is precisely what I was attempting to say.
To Francesca, a Constellation can be a portal to the Ancestors. To
Johannes, it may represent the inner images of the client and facilitator.
Joe reminds us about the importance of transference and
counter-transference. Rita stresses trusting the heart. For many
facilitators, the "space from which we come" is not one place, but a
multitude, and these may shift unexpectedly in the course of a single
Constellation. What is a Constellation? A single overarching answer eludes
us, as if we are trying to scratch a line in the sand where the ocean and
land meet.
Dan
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Hello;
A "thought" arises in response to these recent talks regarding
theory/curiosity/phenomena.
Is it not the space in which someone comes from when facilitating?
I realize that the ego mind can be tricky, and yet when ONE trusts their
heart, (humble gratefulness) AND their competence as a practitioner, why
cannot we enter the unknown with curiosity and innocence and allow phenomena
to show ITSELF. AND who can ultimately decide this? The SELF that is
allowing and the SELF that allows OTHER SELVES to give the feedback and
input seem to me to be SELF (SELVES) REGULATION. I use the capitals to share
my own heart in this matter. Thank you that I can share this view point.
Rita
Warm Regards,
Rita Ann Martino
awakeningfamilyconstellations.com
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David,
I respectfully disagree. If anything, the curiosity we feel about the
process - while completely natural - is a danger to the field. Our
mandate to do the work does not include curiosity. In fact, of the
times I have felt the field collapse freeze or otherwise be
unworkable, it is most often because I or someone else is approaching
with an attitude of curiosity rather then in service to the true
needs of the client to effect a change in how things are in their
system.
I do not exclude theory. I just try to not be too caught by it's
seductive qualities. It is very easy to for it too rise into a place
where it obscures what arises from the practice. Especially if what
arises doesn't agree with our theory. Or perhaps that's only a
weakness of mine. ;-)
namaste.
Kenn
On Feb 11, 2008, at 4:26 AM, david@innersuccess. net.au wrote:
Hi Kenn,
You say you are interested that we are asking this question.
I have some thoughts on this.
I think curiosity is a big part of phemonenological practice, so that
is maybe where our energy comes from to ask this question.
And, if we are phemonenological in our approach, then we don't
exclude anything in the field, and theory is part of the field.
Cheers....David Mathes
What is a Constellation?
Posted by: "Kenn Day" enki@xxxxxxx <mailto:enki%40one.net> kenndeigh
Fri Feb 1, 2008 7:59 pm (PST)
I find it rather interesting that we are even asking the question.
Constellation Work is a phenomenological technique. Why are we trying
to determine the theory, when we already know that the practice works?
namaste,
Kenn
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