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To: ConstellationTalk@yahoogroups.comFrom: deeyoh@hotmail.comDate: Sat, 31 May
2008 15:02:51 -0500Subject: [ConstellationTalk] what do we know
As soon as we say something is always a certain way then we lose something, yet
I find it of value to to hear the patterns other are seeing. The key is not
locking it into a box or I miss something. So I take the patterns we see over
and over, but then have to let go of it so whatever wants to show up can. As
soon as we think we know something concrete, an exception will show it's face.
One of my teachers in this work taught me: "Learn all you can learn, then
forget everything you learned."BTW, I remember a request that we put where we
are from when we write and I know I forgot. I always enjoy knowing where you
live. If you don't want to, of course you don't have to but for me I feel more
connected and do appreciate it when people do! It's been fun popping in for the
last few days, and now I'm back on the road and wish everyone well!Dee USA -
MissouriFrom: Kenn Day Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 1:20 PMTo:
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Perpetrator
energyDear Hunter,I wish I had read this before making my own reply. You say it
all much more eloquently. thank you.namaste,Kenn Daywww.soulsolutionshome.comOn
May 31, 2008, at 3:35 AM, Hunter Beaumont wrote:> Dear Barbara,>> That's an
interesting question. As you know, there are many different> views about what
representatives' reactions in a constellation> actually mean and how to utilize
them.>> I support a very phenomenological position. Phenomenologically, when>
representatives turn around it the only thing I can know for sure is> that the
representatives turn around. Any additional meaning it may> carry must emerge
from the constellation itself.>> According to this position, any other meaning
it may have should not> be imposed on it from our previous experiences in
other> constellations. Obviously there are patterns that repeat over and over>
again, and our previous experiences in other constellations are a part> of what
we get paid for to facilitate, but I feel strongly that we> need to remain
methodologically "clean" and treat all interpretations> as hypotheses. The only
source of knowledge about the meaning of a> movement comes for the
constellation itself.>> If you watch the tapes from Hellinger's early USA
trips, you will see> the same representatives appearing in different cities.
You will> notice that some representatives react to any systemic turbulence
with> a favored reaction. Some fall down, some start to sway or shake, some>
get weak. Once we noticed this repetitive pattern in representative> reactions,
we became very cautions about interpretations.>> There is a concept from
phenomenology that Erv Polster, a well known> Gestalt therapist, picked up
called "bracketing". That means that the> facilitator suspends any
interpretation as much as he or she can.>> So, this is most likely more than
you wanted to know, but your> question gave me an opportunity to raise this
issue in the forum. I> saw that you have already received some suggestions
about how to> interpret it, but my recommendation nevertheless is not to
interpret> at all (ultimately not possible, I know, so let's say as little as>
possible). That is, I recommend not trying to know, but to remain open> and
curious about the possible meanings. Premature knowing closes down> curiosity
and diminishes the openness of the knowing field.>> This by the way, is a place
where Bert has been inconsistent in his> teaching. At some times he has
eloquently defended the> phenomenological position, and then at other times, he
has abandoned> it all together. I don't think it is necessary to be consistent,
but I> have seen that many students have been confused and haven't noticed>
this inconsistency in his work.>> Just to be clear, I realize that many very
skillful facilitators see> this point differently than I do, so I am not saying
that the position> I am defending is the RIGHT one, but I have found it to be a
huge> support in helping me to protect myself and my clients from the>
grandiosity that haunts the constellation work field. I feel safest in> a
certain kind of unknowing.>> Thanks for the question. I hope that it opens a
fruitful discussion.>> Hunter>>> On 30.05.2008, ad 22:41, Barbara Eggenberger
wrote:>>> I have a question about what it means in a constellation when>>
someone is>> slowly turning around and around as if looking in all
directions?>> Someone>> once said that it is an indication of a perpetrator and
if that is>> so, can>> someone explain it to me? For instance, does it mean
that person is>> representing a perpetrator or is looking for one? Also, what
is an>> appropriate response? I have had this show up in three separate cases>>
recently and though I was able to reach resolution, I find myself>> feeling>>
uneasy that I might be missing something important.>>>> Logo>>>>
www.barbaraeggenberger.com>>>> 916.484.5016 503.727.2595>>>> [Non-text portions
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