FW: [ConstellationTalk] Article about Constellations in an Israeli magazine

From: "Ed Levy" <levye@xxxxxxx>
To: <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:55:18 -0500

Sorry for the stray email, everyone. It was meant for a colleague in a
different world.
Ed

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Subject: RE: [ConstellationTalk] Article about Constellations in an Israeli
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Hi Sue,

Yup, no www.

I just got back from voting. Boy, did that feel good.

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Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Article about Constellations in an Israeli
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Hi, Stella,

I always give people who have done constellations my telephone number and
email address in case they
have an after constellation reaction, and insist they get in touch with me
in case of need. On a few occasions
patients have have had individual sessions afterwards, but these are rare.
And to some I have prescribed Bach Flower
Remedies to help them go through post constellations reactions. This has
even been necessary with a man who
had very strong reactions after being the representative of a man's ancestor
in a constellation. That ancestor, a slave,
had been brutally murdered. It is interesting to note, though, that it
appears that as I get more experienced after constellation
reactions are less frequent, but this may be just coincidence.
With regards,
Irene Taitson

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From: stellaconsnoit
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Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 9:20 AM
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Re: Article about Constellations in an Israeli
magazine

Good evening,

This is an interesting topic, and Mr Cohen, I was very impressed with
your 2006 article in the Counseling and Therapy for Couples and
Families, which led to my discovery of this communication group.

I, too, have ethical concerns about family constellation work and
perhaps my concerns can be addressed in dialogue with practitioners
who have had experience in this modality. The literature is scarce
and what is available is generated by those already well-versed in
the therapeutic potential of the work. For example, there is very
little mention on potential effects on participants.

In a recent family constellation workshop, a participant experienced
such low blood pressure that he lost the sense of hearing
(temporarily, as it was restored when he sat on the ground). Another
had what appeared to be a panic attack. She was very frightened at
the time and now very critical of the therapy. After care, per
Hellinger, was non-existent.

I am interested in the body's response and know that in situations of
heightened emotion or tension, it is fairly normal for some people to
feel light-headed, nauseated or faint. This relates to normal nervous
system function and is seen readily in those who react to the sight
of blood or needles. In line-formation in military parades, those
standing stock-still with knees straightened sometimes keel over and
the embarassing footage is captured on amateur video.

So, with my limited experience in constellation participation, what
kind of physiological experiences are a typical occurence and how do
they fit into the theory? There is a safety issue here...

I look forward to a reply,

Stella.

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Hi Dan / Ayelet,

I'm a psychotherapist who places a great deal of importance on the
theoretical underpinnings of any modality, however, I much prefer

the

concept of "practice-based evidence" rather than "evidence-based

practice".

The first time I heard the former phrase, it made much more sense

to me than

the more familiar latter one, which somehow seems to me to assume

that the

inner nature / heart / mind / lived experience of each one of us is
sufficiently similar to determine just how we should be "treated".

I see

evidence-based practice as offering at best a rough starting point

framework when beginning work with a client, and definitely not as

something

to adhere to. I think FC can definitely offer practice-based

evidence.

Regards

Toni

Toni McLean

Think Twice!

Counselling and Programs for individuals and couples

with high level conflict or abuse in their relationships

0409 599 887

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Subject: RE: [ConstellationTalk] Article about Constellations in an

Israeli

magazine

Ayelet - I dealt with these criticisms in great detail in my

dissertation.

Here is a excerpt of the discussion that may help you formulate a

response.

There is plenty more. Write me at Dan@HiddenSolution.
<mailto:Dan%40HiddenSolution.com> com to read the full
text. Dan

Many psychologists warn against the growing popularity of fringe

therapies,

those that rely on the clinician's intuition and experience rather

than

research evidence. They claim that unsanctioned approaches threaten

the

scientific foundations of clinical psychology.

The gulf between Family Constellations and evidenced based

psychology is

substantial. The Constellation approach explicitly and purposefully

omits

much of what evidence based practice in psychology (EBPP) includes

and

conversely, ventures into territory that cognitive, behavioral and
psychodynamic therapies explicitly avoid.

Standard textbooks in psychology present a unified historiography.

Schultz

and Schultz (1992) asserted that psychology as an independent

formal field

of study did not emerge as a distinct entity until the last quarter

of the

19th century when "speculating, intuiting and generalizing" gave

way to the

rigors of "carefully controlled observation and experimentation to

study the

human mind" (p. 4). This application of precise and objective

methodologies

led to the development of tools and techniques that refined "not

only the

questions psychologists asked, but also the answers they obtained"

(p. 4).

To be comprehended, the answers obtained must fit inside the frame

reference of the questions asked. Academic/laboratory/clinical

psychology

studies mind and behavior using a positivistic, reductionist

methodology.

The questions asked must be limited to what can be learned from

controlled

experimentation.

The prominent arc of experimental psychology has been to apply

mechanistic

principles to the questions of human behavior. It follows along the

lines

of Galileo's (1623) 17th century assertion, "I do not believe that

there

exists anything in external bodies.but size, shape, quantity, and

motion."

During the 20th century two dominant trends, both based on the

principles of

positivistic reductionism, emerged in psychological research. The

first was

the assumption that improving knowledge of human behavior is a

function of

improved data collection and analysis. The second is that

psychiatric

illnesses can be explained and treated as a function of brain

chemistry.

Contemporary clinical psychology's thirst for data creates a dual

standard

for whether an approach receives broad acceptance. In the new age of
science, "curing the sick is not enough, one must cure them with

methods

accepted by the community" (Ellenberger, 1970, p. 57). It is not

simply

whether clients respond favorably, but also whether these results

can be

confirmed in controlled studies. Again, the questions asked serve

to limit

the answer received.

Family Constellations emerged from other historic trends, an

integration of

existential-phenomenology, family systems theory, and indigenous

healing

practices. They draw from non-conceptual intuitive responses that

are

inconsistent with the dominant protocols of psychology which

specifically

eliminate "speculating, intuiting and generalizing" in favor

of "carefully

controlled observation and experimentation to study the human mind"

(D.P.

Schultz & S.E. Schultz, 1992, p. 4). Scientific psychology, by

limiting its

scope to facts that can be discerned through carefully controlled
observations and experimentation, has ceded the realm of personal
metaphysics to those who delve in subjective, pragmatic,

metaphoric, or

presentational languages.

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Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Article about Constellations in an

Israeli

magazine

Hello Every body

I Recently wrote for an online Israeli Group Magazine an article
about Constellations. As part of the effort to share this work with
as many people as possible in Israel, I shared my experience with

the

work as a participant and as a facilitator.
I got some inquiries and some feedbacks. One of them was very
critical.
It was written by a Family Psychotherpaist who never experienced
Constellations, but preceived my enthusiasm as a new age

phenomenon.

She was affended by the fact that I wrote that this is the most
cutting edge and popular group work in Europe (actually in my reply

will add Asia and US as well..is it too vain? not realistic?)
She also red on the internet that the founder of this work is a
contreversial figure..a fact that just added to her negative view.
I just finished writing my reply to this lady and would love to

hear

any comments regarding this kind of dialog.

Thank you
Ayelet

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