I'm, very sorry to hear.... It is very humbling to see and feel how BIG Life
and Death are and how small frail and human even us facilitators are in the
face of it all.
Along with Dee Yoh and Diane Yankelewitz... My heart goes out to them on their
special journey into eternity.
Blessings to Margreet on her path to the profound & true wonder of creation &
renewal she faces before her.....
Namaste Gary Stuart LA, CA Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Re: epigenetics and trauma: And what can we do to aleviate this????? From: Kay
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in memoriam From: CDeodatus
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Re: in memoriam From: Barbara Morgan
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Re: epigenetics and trauma: And what can we do to aleviate this?????
Posted by: "Kay Needham" familyconstellationinfo@xxxxxxxxx
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sadhana_needham <http://profiles.yahoo.com/sadhana_needham>
Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:20 pm (PDT)
Hello Vinay and others interested in this thread,
There is something about all systemic work that is worth understanding and is
sometimes not seen. That is, that every system is a living system that grows
via
1. Feeding
2. Excreting
The actions of taking in and taking out are essential for growth.
Human beings are also what we refer to as "a dissipative system."
As facilitators we tend to focus on "feeding" and often forget "excreting."
It is essential for "waste" to move out of a living system also.
Waste is the past.
Waste is the mind.
If we are also feeding with mind we are adding to the waste.
Techniques and meditations that give a taste of no mind are needed to help
clients release the past. Active meditations designed by Osho where designed
for this reason to compliment all forms of therapy working with trauma. To
provide support for body mind opening. These meditations work very well, and
are very scientific in their approach. They are designed to assist meditation
as a tool for transformation.
www.osho.com
Kind regards
Sadhana
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Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:33 AM
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Re: epigenetics and trauma: And what can we do to
aleviate this?????
Hi folks
This discussion interests me in terms of understanding something I have have
quite worked out.
In my constellation work I very rarely hear back that someone left it in some
way that didnt work for them. The exception was something that happened when I
worked with some aboriginal students in a Masters of Indiginous studies and
Trauma Healing, at a local Uni. I worked with the class on a number of
occasions, using both Gestalt and constellations work. Everything went really
well - the class really appreciated the approaches, and the therapeutic work
was particularly poignant. When it came to doing the constellation work with
them, it seemed perfect. Within a cultural frame, they could of course
immediately recognise the nature of the work, and they took to it readily.
Because of the extremely complex intergenerational trauma that has resulted
from government policy (removing children from their families), the
constellation work seemed to be highly effective in being able to embrace the
largeness of the trauma, and work with it.
So, everyone was pleased, moved, and reported positively.
Because of the nature of the course, the subject of trauma was something they
were familiar with, and the coordinator of the course spent time with them
talking about it, looking at healing modalities etc. However, what happened
afterward the constellation work I did with them is that over the course of a
number of months, a number of people in the course started to really act out in
quite destructive ways. ALthough none of the students held a negative
impression of the constellation work, the coordinator suspected that it was the
trigger for a flood of trauma which was too much, and hence the acting out. As
a result, I did not get a chance to go back and continue the work or do any
followup.
It seems that the resources of the course, and the individuals, were not enough
to handle what got opened up, even though within the constellations themselves
it appeared a great deal of healing took place. I had recommended followup
work, both individual and collective, but the resources of the uni and the
structure of the course were such that that level of work was not available.
I continue to wonder about that experience, and what to learn from it. Reading
this thread makes me think that this was a situation where the PTSD/complex
trauma was bigger than what the course, or I could offer. It makes me wonder
about what I could have done differently, or whether theres instances where I
need to somehow slow the constellation down, so not too much gets opened up.
This is a strange thought, as I generally just have a sense of serviing the
field in front of me, as it opens up, in its own rhythm.
Interested in people's comments.
Vinay
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Dear members of Constellation Talk,
For many years I have been one of the silent readers of Constellation
Talk. I feel gratefull for many threads in the discussions.
Hereby I want to share a sad message from Holland.
with friendly regards,
Cateleyne Deodatus
*Margreet Mossel. *
* 15^th of November 1957 --
+15^th of September 2011
/ "I'm not only this
vulnerable body." /
Margreet Mossel, member of this Forum, died of cancer on the 15^th of
September, at the age of 53. I've known Margreet as a dedicated
constellator. She translated several books on constellations into the
dutch language (/Bert Hellinger: " Entlassen werden wir vollendet'
"The art of helping"/ /, and "Movements of the Spirit-Mind" )./
I always was impressed how precise she could choose her words. Among
other subjects she was dedicated to bring clarity to questions about
being Jewish .
Drs. Cateleyne G. Deodatus
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Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:23 am (PDT)
My goodness, what a shock! I regarded Margreet as one of the long-standing
stalwarts of constellation work who made some very wise and well-considered
contributions to constellationtalk and to the field generally. I would see
her pop up from time to time at workshops or seminars and we had sporadic
contact when thorny issues arose in the field.
A true kindred spirit. My thougts go out to her family and friends.
Barbara Morgan
On 30 September 2011 15:05, CDeodatus <deodatus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Dear members of Constellation Talk,
For many years I have been one of the silent readers of Constellation
Talk. I feel gratefull for many threads in the discussions.
Hereby I want to share a sad message from Holland.
with friendly regards,
Cateleyne Deodatus
*Margreet Mossel. *
* 15^th of November 1957 --
+15^th of September 2011
/ "I'm not only this
vulnerable body." /
Margreet Mossel, member of this Forum, died of cancer on the 15^th of
September, at the age of 53. I've known Margreet as a dedicated
constellator. She translated several books on constellations into the
dutch language (/Bert Hellinger: " Entlassen werden wir vollendet'
"The art of helping"/ /, and "Movements of the Spirit-Mind" )./
I always was impressed how precise she could choose her words. Among
other subjects she was dedicated to bring clarity to questions about
being Jewish .
Drs. Cateleyne G. Deodatus
Lichaamsgericht werkend GZpsycholoog-NIP
_deodatus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:_deodatus%40cene.demon.nl> _
www.cdeodatus.nl
postbus 1380
9701 BJ Groningen
050 318 58 26
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Dear members of Constellation Talk,
For many years I have been one of the silent readers of Constellation
Talk. I feel gratefull for many threads in the discussions.
Hereby I want to share a sad message from Holland.
with friendly regards,
Cateleyne Deodatus
*Margreet Mossel. *
* 15^th of November 1957 --
+15^th of September 2011
/ "I'm not only this
vulnerable body." /
Margreet Mossel, member of this Forum, died of cancer on the 15^th of
September, at the age of 53. I've known Margreet as a dedicated
constellator. She translated several books on constellations into the
dutch language (/Bert Hellinger: " Entlassen werden wir vollendet'
"The art of helping"/ /, and "Movements of the Spirit-Mind" )./
I always was impressed how precise she could choose her words. Among
other subjects she was dedicated to bring clarity to questions about
being Jewish .
Drs. Cateleyne G. Deodatus
Lichaamsgericht werkend GZpsycholoog-NIP
_deodatus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:_deodatus%40cene.demon.nl> _
www.cdeodatus.nl
postbus 1380
9701 BJ Groningen
050 318 58 26
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