Hello,
There is no such thing as “Islamic” honour killing.
Islamic Law doesn’t support this except in very rare cases and it would be same
against men as women, and in that case it is not Honor killing it is something
else.
In Lebanon where I come from, our Law teacher told us that the French
institutionalised this Honor killing in the Lebanese Law under their Mandate.
So they made it legal, making it ok for a man to do this and get away with it
with only 3 months prison. Interesting no?
A Jewish friend told me that Honor killing dates back to Abrahamic times.
Besides in Lebanon where we are mixed Christians and Muslims, Christians also
apply the Honor Killing against their daughters and wives etc. This might be a
surprise to you but it is true. I have first hand experience in this through my
best friend who is a Christian Catholic. These use to happen in Lebanon mainly
in remote villages. Almost never in the city regardless of religion.
I guess it also happened within the Lebanese Jewish culture in the past. Point
is it is not one religion thing. If you go to the villages you would hear
these stories from all Christians, or Muslims etc.
This wouldn’t happen however if the person didn’t already have a murderous
impulse. It gets easier for him to express it because he knows he will get away
with it.
If you want to understand this you need to explore it in your work and first
approach it as a murder within the family system, and see what “Law” means here
, and if you want to go deeper I would point out to look at it as what does
“honor” mean? What are men and what are women, how come an idea becomes more
important than life?
I hope this helps,
Greetings,
Sent from my iPhone
On 09.03.2021, at 04:36, Anngwyn <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello Everyone,
A new issue for me.so far in my new work with clients in Arab countries. It
seems that from a SCW perspective we have a perpetrator/victim dynamic where
a murder is committed against women (mostly) with good conscience resulting
from loyalty to tribal consciousness. Witch trials and torture/murder were
carried out within a similar religio/cultural collective mindset. All
perfectly legal.
Interesting topic for International Women's Day.
And, as a historian I know that honor killings (and revenge castrations)
have been carried out throughout history Perhaps you remember the story
of Eloise and Abelhard.
Perhaps we have a blind spot here, worth looking into.
Enough probably,
Anngwyn
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From: Tripty Hirani <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: constellationtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 8:12 pm
Subject: [constellationtalk] Re: Honor Killings ?
I would just like to share my understanding and experience in this area and I
want to thank you Anngwyn for bringing it up!
First of all, I would like to clarify that the assumption of linking honour
killings with Islamic society is incorrect. There is nowhere in the Quran any
evidence to suggest that killing for honour is acceptable. Neither does the
life of Prophet Mohammad indicate that he engaged in this behaviour or
encouraged it. Whilst honour killings have occurred in some Muslim nations,
it is not an Islamic value!
Secondly, my experience of witnessing this issue indirectly, by having grown
up in a Muslim nation is that honour killings were occasionally practiced by
the mountain tribes in my country as part of their tribal law. And that this
allowed the honour of the families involved to be restored. Simply put, Death
was preferable to living a life of Shame. We see this in the Samurai
tradition of Japan with the concept of Hara Kiri and the Sati tradition in
Hinduism, which has now been banned. To my understanding: honour killings
came about to preserve the honour of families. Therefore, it is a social and
cultural issue, not a religious one.
I hope that the few words I share add to understanding of this issue.
Regards
Tripty
"An agitated mind makes it difficult to see
Let the mind settle and all will be clear."
On 9 Mar 2021, at 12:55 pm, Anngwyn (Redacted sender "anngwyn" for DMARC)
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Greetings from Arizona,
Maybe the first step is to raise awareness. of this widespread issue. At
this point, I am quite aware and not in need of more documentations,
although I understand that for others this may be a blind spot.
What I am asking is if anyone has actually had clinical experience with SCW
and Honor Killings ?
Given Bert's teachings, I can speculate about as to what the systemic
consequences of this perpetrator victim, dynamic may be, but that is all it
would be.
Regards,
Anngwyn
-----Original Message-----
From: Eimear O'Neill <eimearsemail@xxxxxxxxx>
To: constellationtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 5:05 pm
Subject: [constellationtalk] Re: Honor Killings ?
I attach an interesting article from Chitra Lakhera on 'honor" killings in
India and the larger systems in which these are embedded.
Warmly
Eimear
Eimear O'Neill, PhD https://www.eimearoneill.com/Eimear_ONeill/Home.html
On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 15:01, Anngwyn <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Greetings from Arizona,
Does anyone have experience with the impact of Honor Killings in Islamic
and other family systems?
Warm Regards,
Anngwyn St. Just Ph.D.
Director: Arizona Center for Social Trauma.
Sedona,AZ. USA
