Seeing Being,Eyes as windows of the hidden soul

From: drjmpirone <drjmpirone@xxxxxxx>
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:48:54 -0500

Dear Ayelet,
Thank you and all  who attempt to hear and see beyond the mere words that trap
us.
And a further thought.....What  if some kind hearted Internet spaces have the
possibility to truly contain that which formerly only could be contained in non
virtual space, as in our workshops..What if we added skype to some of  our
virtual dialogues, would our ability to truly hear the hearts behind each
others words become even more genuine? I have found that speaking by phone  and
heartfully hearing the voice of  some of us after a post genuinely self-
clarifies the space meant if not accurately enworded in an email.
What if seeing each other for some at least expanded that dimension. Teilhard
Dechardin said to see the world thru the eyes of the other is to love. In
Russian language, when you say" I hate them"you literally say " I do not see
them". Perhaps that is why not being allowed to see accomplishes what it does.
Perhaps what Bert says about looking into the eyes of the other some how is
related.Not sure.Joseph in Nw York

Enneapsychodramatics
Dr.Joseph M. Pirone 2018033080

On Friday, January 09, 2009, at 12:11PM, "ayeletdep" <ayeletdep@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Dear Alison, Ed, Kenn, Joseph, Laura, Barbara, and all

Thank you for your support and for the opportunity to express myself
in this forum. It was important for me to give voice to "the other
side" in the spirit of Constellation that sees the whole system and
not just part of it.

I would like to quote Marianne Williamson - Towards a miracle in the
Middle East -

"Today is a day to cry for Israel. Today is a day to cry for
Palestinians. While it may be tempting to "take sides" between
Israelies and Palestinians, spiritually there are no sides to be
taken. God does not give us victory in battle, but rather lifts us
above the battle field"....

With gratitude and Love
Ayelet
Israel

--- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Alison Rose Levy
<LevyAR@...> wrote:

Hi Ayelet:

Out of all you wrote, what I heard was:

Can you, who live thousands of miles a way from Israel, try to

stand

now in our shoes?

And under that, what I heard was: Who will stand with me?

And the answer is: I will.

I¹m a New York based Jubu who comes from a Jewish background and

has studied

and practiced eastern spirituality for twenty-five years. I¹ve

never been to

Israel but I¹ve heard a great deal about it from my younger

brother, Dan

Cohen, who has followed this movement of history a great deal

more than I

have.

Even though once in Germany I was honored to represent the

Shekina, the

feminine divinity of the Jewish soul, in my personal life, I¹m

probably close

to a Tibetan rinpoche than any rabbi but I am standing with you.

I am with

you right now. I could never stay in this group if you lacked a
representative.

love,

Alison

Dan and all

I must tell you that as soon as I read the subject - A statement
about Gaza, my heart started pounding as I knew it will be a
statement that is excluding Israel.
While reading the mail and later walking with it in my heart, my
feelings changed from being angry to feeling rightous to full

sadness.

I couldn't find even one word that mentions Israel's pain. The
identification was all heartedly with one side.
It is exactly as Barbara stone wrote; she stood as a

representative

for an Israeli, wishing that the Palestinian representative will

see

her pain, but he couldn't.
A journalist from an Israeli newspaper asked an Israeli from the
south who lives with the bombing - "how do you feel about
Palestinians civilians in Gaza? He answered - "I feel sorry for

them".

When the same journalist asked a Palestinian men the same question
about Israeli citizens, he answered - "they can go to hell".
I do agree that in order to reconcile, opposing parties have to
embrace what they reject. I was looking for this embracing in the
mail, but couldn't find it.
This attitude starts in the wording of the statement and

continues in

the first paragraph. I decided also to count and I found that in

this

paragraph there are 150 words about the missguided attitude of the
ADL (Anti Defamation League) and only 13 words mention that the

pro-

Palestinians side is doing the same thing.
You write - "since 1948, US and Israel have used talks of a so
called "peace process" as a smoke screen to disguise their joint
policy...to expand Israel's borders and displace the non Jewish
population". Two sentences later you write about two exceptions -
Jordan and Egypt. Why Jordan and Egypt are exceptions? The

opponent

we talked to was different and still is very different than the

one

we are dealing with now. Interestingly enough, not even one time

you

mentioned the name of the current leader of the Gaza people -

Hamas.

Even the name reveals their intentions - "The Islamic Resistance
Movement". This kind of leader doesn't hesitate to hide their
ammunition and people in universities, schools and hospitals. This
kind of leader doesn't hesitate to use their people as a shield.

This

kind of leader doesn't recognize the legitimacy of the state of
Israel. This kind of leader is being supported by Iran. It is

long a

go not just a war about territory. We went out of Gaza more than
three years a go. It is a war between cultures. It is a war

between

religions.
For a few months there was, what the Palestinians call -

Tahadiya -

cease fire between us and Hamas. Unfortunately they used these

months

to accumulate ammunition and now they are bombarding not just the
south of Israel, but half an hour from the center of Israel.
What nation, what government in the world would accept this kind

of

situation?
You write - "the only Israeli policies that matteres are its
determination to conquer a defensible portion of land and render
native Palestinians defensless and impotent".
On what facts do you base your words?
Almost 90% from the political parties in Israel are for meaningful
dialogue with the Palestinians, including giving up and giving a

way

land. More than half of the citizens in Israel are supporting

that.

Israel, as the only democracy in the middle-east surrounded by

about

20 Arab counteries, isn't operating in an empty space, but as you
know, in a systemic one, where everybody add their own share to

the

situation.
In your last paragraph you write that because the US Jewish

community

suffers from trauma they "endorce the horrid policies of Israel".
According to this - Israelis are the perpetrator and Palestinians

are

the victims. Here goes out the window the trial to reframe from
following the good/bad attitude. I agree that at the roots of
violence you find trauma, but to claim that what is happening is

all

due to the Jewish WW2 trauma, is to ignore the other side of the
equation. Even Egypt, an Arab country, is strongly opposing

Hamas,its

views and methods.
I lived out of Israel for 12 years. Watching the news from a far

and

visiting once a year, being a tourist in my own country. This
experience gave me a wider prespective. Coming back two years a go
took quite a while to readjust to the different energy with its
pluses and minuses. Part of the process included looking for
groups,projects and initiatives that their goal is peace between

the

two nations. There are thousands of them in Israel.Just to name a
few - "The Peres Center for Peace" that is doing amazing things

for

reconciliation and the "Solha" (Foregiveness) project that gathers
Israelies and Palestinians a few times a year for a dialogue.All

this

time while I was looking, The Hamas bombarded from Gaza Israeli
cities in the south, day after day for 8 years.
Can you imagine Boston being bombarded day after day for years and
the government doesn't declaire war and still is viwed as the
perpetrator? How would you feel if you and your family, every day,
when the alarm sirens are on, have only about 40 seconds or none

to

finde shelter before the missile will hit the ground and destroy
whatever it can.Eight years day after day and no war was declared
until now.
I live two hours drive a way from the south. I didn't experience

war

horrors yet. Now my friends, half an hour from the center of

Israel,

wake up every morning to the sound of the alarm sirens. The kids

run

with their pajamas to the shelter. They aren't going to school or
nurseries. They are all closed.Half an hour a way from the center

and

it is a whole different world. A friend shared the shame she feels
now realizing how the people in the south suffered like this for
years and the rest of us continued our lives as usual.
We in the Constellaion community know how powerful it is to stand

in

someone else's shoes. It is an experience that renders respect and
love.
Can you, who live thousands of miles a way from Israel, try to

stand

now in our shoes?
Can I, who live half an hour a way from war, stand in my frieds

shoes?

Can I stand in Palestinian civilian shoes?
I try to do that by embracing both sides in my heart and not

dividing

the whole systemic fiels into good/bad.
The situation is much more complex than that.

Ayelet De-Picciotto
Israel

--- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dan Booth Cohen"
<danbcohen@> wrote:

There is a nearly universally embraced precept that persons,

groups

or

nations justify their actions by weighing the good against the

bad.  A

typical example comes from the Anti-Defamation League.  The ADL

article,

"Advocating for Israel: An Activist's Guide" present facts and

talking

points on the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and

information

for reaching out to elected officials and the media.

It frames good versus bad to bolster support for the Israeli

government.

The number of times the word "violence" appears: 20.  The

number of

these 20

references that refer specifically to Palestinian violence

against

Jews and

Israel: 20.  The number of times the word "peace" appears in

the

document:

19.  The number of these 19 references that refer to Israel's

desire for

peace or Palestinian's rejection of peace: 19.  The number of

times

the word

"terrorist" is used: 19.  The number of these 19 references

where

the word

terrorist is conjoined with the word Palestinian: 18.  This

approach to

argument and advocacy is mirrored in many pro-Palestinian

sites.

This style of advocacy is a function of the workings of

conscience.

Conscience whispers that we are the innocent ones, our actions

are

justified

and righteous, our beliefs are merited, and our opponents are

misguided, or

even evil.  We believe our conscience because we understand it

to

be a

mechanism for distinguishing the good from the bad, even

though it

invariably determines that our people are the good ones and our

enemies the

bad ones.  Even when we do bad things, these actions can be

justified by

good reasons.

What comes through in constellations time and again is that

opposing parties

cannot reach reconciliation by maintaining a good conscience.

Instead,

healing and acceptance come from embracing what we viscerally

reject and

acknowledging and honoring what we would reflexively exclude.

This

is the

very opposite of what commonsense tells us.

The primary conflict between Western powers and the indigenous

population of

historic Palestine since the demise of the Ottoman Empire has

been

about

borders and sovereignty.  Since 1948, the US and Israel have

used

talk of a

so-called "peace process" as a smokescreen to disguise their

joint

policy

which has been employing military force to expand Israel's

borders

and

displace the non-Jewish population.

Whenever an Israeli Head of State visits the White House to

discuss

the

"prospects for peace," the topic for discussion is always

plans for

prosecuting further war.  The exceptions were under Presidents

Carter and

Clinton.  When Israel withdrew from Egypt and agreed on the

border,

a peace

treaty followed.  The same with Jordan.

The propaganda machinery sucks the discussion into a tightly

controlled

narrative about political proposals, elections, geopolitical

strategy,

balance of forces, land swaps and who-did-what-when, etc. as a

way

of

distracting public attention away from the "facts-on-the-

ground."

It's like

tag-team wrestling, where one heel distracts the ref and the

other

beats the

opponent senseless with a chair.  The only Israeli policies

that

matters are

its determination to conquer a defensible portion of land and

render the

native Palestinians defenseless and impotent.

The systemic elements come into play because the U.S. Jewish

community

wholeheartedly endorses these policies and actions - even

though

they see

clearly through the transparency of the falsehoods and

recognize

that such

acts represent a horrid betrayal of core Jewish spiritual

values.

Without

members of my community paying the bills and prohibiting any US

elected

official from voicing objections, the Israelis would have to

agree

to a

final, internationally recognized border.

Why does every Rabbi with a building and every employee of a

Jewish

organization go along with this ruse?  The answer lies with the

trauma

imbedded inside the realm of the collective spirit-mind of the

American

Jewish people.  Very few will open their eyes, ears, and

hearts in

tune with

this realm, because it is unbearably painful.  Here is where we

feel all of

the victimization and perpetration that is our familial

inheritance.  Here

is where we agree to be perpetrators to genocide as an

alternative

to being

its victims.

If the members of the US Jewish community engaged in healing

our

own broken

hearts, we might become less willing participants in committing

atrocities

against the Palestinians.  That has been my mission for 25

years.

I have

succeeded with a few dozen individuals, but in terms of a

broader

impact, I

have utterly failed.

Dan

Boston, USA

www.HiddenSolution.com <http://www.hiddensolution.com/>

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