As the kids say now, my bad. Well, always we get chuckles at someone's missteps
although we hesitate to express our humour at their fallibilities. So now I
have done the oops of the day and in error posted here what was intended as a
private message to Joe. Well, so be it. I almost always think that errors are
keys to a new perspective if we open them up. Glad to see so many of us
posting both old and new to our group. Let me extend the personal greeting's
intention to all, "I hope all is well with you and yours!" Here we are enjoying
our nation's Canada Day celebrations and the beauty of a summer day's holiday.
--- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "anni" <annimukkala@...> wrote:
Hello Joe, It was lovely to read your post on CT. The precision of your
words is always refreshing. I hope all is well with you and yours. Just
wanted to say hi, Anni
--- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Joe pirone <drjmpirone@> wrote:
Blood from the veins that moves toward
Personal death and possibly of the incapacitation of the possibility of "we
shall overcome" is quite different from the blood of the body of a womans
body weeping over the failure of conception snd the new hope of life
recreated.
"All we are is dust in the wind" is not at all the same as the serenity
prayer about changing what can be changed.
Jung would remind us that if we are swallowed like Jonah by any archetypal
dominant it is wise to apply the our fledgling consciousness to see what
god or godess we are serving.
All war is by definition group contagion.
Perhaps we need to play pin the tail on the actual archetype. Drj
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On Jun 26, 2013, at 2:05 AM, amenahkern@ wrote:
Hello everybody,
I don't usually write, but I feel I would like to add to the story of the
old man.
If you have lived a war, or entered a space of madness where death is the
only thing prevailing, it would make it easier to understand the old man.
There are two points here to be aware if:
1. Dan is right when he wants to bring in another possibility for us on
the human level, that is to keep wanting to make peace, and not to
resign. It's a reminder that we need not to say: " it is as it is, I
better leave and eat my popcorn and be depressed".
2. In this specific situation the old man sees that which none of us now
can see. He is not talking from a personal heart, if he would he would
say something completely different. He spoke from eyes that knew it was
beyond him and the men killing him. This is only in this specific
situation. It's a field that opens and it's a different field from
everyday life. He knew he was going to be killed. And I find him very
courageous to speak those words. Whoever lived to tell this story was
touched deeply. I bet the killer soul is even more so in agony.
When blood is spilled, everything is different, and to understand the
feminine we need to understand her bleeding. And this still is a mystery
for me.
Amina Kern
On 26.06.2013, at 07:49, Maria Dolenc <mariadolenc@> wrote:
Dear Robert, Dan Hania and All.
Thank you ...It touched my all being and I am totally in agreement
with you and the story Robert
Not always easy.
I have just been reading the book "Learning to fall" . Not easy in
our culture when all emphasis is on
more and better ! I really appreciate your post today Robert.
I was also reading this morning Francesca Boring book "Notes from
the indigenous field" . Similar emphasis, different language..
That kind of attitude is very important in doing this work.
All the best.
Maria Dolenc
On 26/06/2013, at 12:51 PM, Robert Grant wrote:
Dear Dan and All,
Allow me to indulge my unrestrained intuition. What I am doing in the
following is to fly a kite. If it flies all is well, if not please
forget
it and all is well. One more thing from the outset; what I am
proposing can
of course make only sense if we enter the archetypal level.
âThe emphasis I take away is not that he is wise and at peace, but
old and
incapable of asserting his masculine power.
being inert, sitting
helplessly while women and children are murdered before being gunned
down
oneself.â
Well, let us assume the opposite. Let us explore the opposite. Let
us look
at the
âsitting helplessly while women and children are murdered before
being
gunned down oneselfâ.
Utter defeat, utterly avoided. Yet utterly unavoidable. For the
liberation
we seek is revealed not in victory, not when we prevail but when we
find
ourselves defeated.
âbut I cannot understand her language or mind.â âShe is
demanding
more,
although I honestly do not know what.â
Of course you do. All you need is to ask her �" on the archetypal
level of
course. And she will answer �" your life. What I ultimately want of
you is
your life.
Why?
Because that will make you fearless, that will make you wise, that
will
make you strong beyond imagining.
Best wishes,
Robert
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:13 AM, Dan Booth Cohen, PhD <
danboothcohen@> wrote:
**.
The conversation on Constellation Talk the last month, as well as
in my
own practice and personal struggles have been centered on the
question of
how to re-balance masculine and feminine energies in our lives. How
can I
be a man who honors and cares for the women in my life? How can I
be a man
who expresses my masculine nature without compounding the
perpetration
against the feminine that is the hallmark of our civilization?
Being married for 26 years has given me a lifelong education in how
to be
in relationship with a woman. Being a father to two daughters has
afforded
me the opportunity to center my life on being in service to the
feminine.
Facilitating nearly 2,000 Constellations has taken me beyond the
borders of
what I know and understand; I am in frequent contact with the Divine
Feminine, but I cannot understand her language or mind. Being the
son of my
mother and father has endowed me with shadow emotions and blind
spots.
For me, the old man in the story below is not to me emulated. The
emphasis
I take away is not that he wise and at peace, but old and incapable
of
asserting his masculine power. âDo no harmâ is a worthwhile
principle, but
it is not the same as being inert, sitting helplessly while women and
children are murdered before being gunned down oneself. The Divine
Feminine
does seem satisfied with me becoming a harmless man. She is
demanding more,
although I honestly do not know what. Along the way, I am harming
others.
I read this from Brazil today:
âThe popular forces must summon all their energies to take to the
streets.
Manifest, carry their flags of struggle for the reforms that really
matter
to people. Because the right will do the same and bring their flags,
conservative, backward, criminalizing and stigmatizing the ideas of
social
change. We are right in the middle of an ideological battle, nobody
knows
what the result will be. In each city, each manifestation, we will
have to
dispute for hearts and minds. And those who are left out, will be
out of
history.â
http://mobile.zcommunications.org/the-meaning-and-perspectives-of-the-street-mobilizations-by-joao-pedro-stedile
When I read this, I thought of the old man, who says to the
soldiers, âGo
ahead just do your job.â That feels like a faulty response to the
military
and corporate leaders who are greedily driving humanity towards
extinction.
Dan
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Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:26 PM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ConstellationTalk] Your Mother gives you life. Your
Father
shows you the world.
Yes, this is the great challenge. To live peacefully amongst the
abusers.
In a world and state of life where I have choice, I choose to be
around
people who strive for non-violence and to live consciously and
simply. Iâm
not perfect at it. But I strive.
Iâm okay with not giving my life energy to those who choose to
consciously
inflict harm on others. By being a different presence to them, by
not going
along with their walk, I perhaps may inspire them. Or may not. I
have no
desire to try and convince or change them. They will suffer in
their own
way.
Iâm fine with keeping my distance, knowing that somewhere along
the
way of
life, they stopped seeing their divine nature and became cruel and
brutal
to others. For this I can have compassion for them. But I have enough
self-care, wisdom and boundaries to know that it is up to that
person if
they want to be included and to go through a process of remorse in
order to
receive trust from others.
That older manâs stance is a truly noble one, in the face of
attack, death
and war. But in a time of peace, shall we not strive for what could
be a
better world, instead of always struggling and reenacting
circumstances
that lead to war, famine and insane relations? Shall we not call
humans to
access that misguided power that is used for war to instead focus on
self-control and truly make the world more habitable and lovely for
others?
It is choice. And I really donât need war to teach me about the
reverence
of life. In fact, a beautiful, life-filled environment does more to
inspiring the greatness of life in the human mind than any war. I
wish we
could focus more on testing that theory out than all the resources
the
world puts into understanding war.
Thank you for the discussion, Rosalba. It brings up one of the
aspects of
Constellations that doesnât sit with me well
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