Dear Maria,
My condolences,
İ understand You fully & thanks so much...
When i lost my very religious, bipolar 38 yo bro to suicide on 01.01.01,
The day after a Bert-type constellation workshop,
And his last letter read:
" i no longer want to live since i can not live as myself"
İ went into constellations as a "seeker"
and did understand what really happened.
When i further went into MPT
( Multigenerational Psychotraumatology) and
the Trauma of Love,
İ learned how that incidence could've been prevented.
İt s been 15 years now
And being an MD i do hear You.
İ would advice You to read "Trauma, Fear & Love" by Prof.Dr.Franz Ruppert
Where he claims " suicide is a survival strategy",
The last one, obviously...And i do agree...
Thanks a lot. Again.
i've been asking the experienced for the last 12 years, to
Write the Ethics code and i know Ms. Vivian Broughton did try
İn her book called " the Heart of things".
Perhaps being MDs You & i could attempt on one...
Hugs,
Bizden Canan, MD.
İstanbul
31 Mar 2015 tarihinde ÖS 7:09 saatinde, Maria Goossens
goossens.maria@xxxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> şunları yazdı:
Hi Zaquie,
What I’m saying is this: as a physician, I’m responsible for my patient if I
choose to use constellations as a therapeutic tool.
We have tremendous possibilities using constellations.
1) I can choose to do a constellation for my patient, yes or no. If his
mental state is unstable, I will choose not do a constellation.
2) I can choose the issue with which I work. f.e. I can first do
constellations that support my patient.
3) I can choose the representatives that I put up.
4) I can choose if I let my patient say certain sentences yes or no.
5) I can choose whether I express certain feelings that come up during the
constellation, or I can stay silent.
6) I even can choose to stop a constellation.
So, yes there is a greater force working during constellations that we cannot
command nor predict. However, we also have the possibility to make a lot of
choices before, at the start, during and at the end of constellations.
Mieke
Maria Goossens, MD
goossens.maria@xxxxxxxxxx
Op 31 mrt. 2015, om 16:59 heeft Zaquie Meredith zaquie@xxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> het volgende
geschreven:
Maria Groossens, here is what I think, feel and learned:
Constellation is not equivalent to any method or technique where the
physician is responsible for his patient.
FurthermoreŠin constellations there are greater forces that we can not
command or predict.
Therefore, even you, could not have helped if you were present at the
constellation. I doubt you could.
If the constellation had not been done, would he have committed suicide?
Probably. But we don¹t know.
Bert Hellinger had 1 or 2 or patients that committed suicide after his
constellations. And some constellators went thru this experience too.
It is NOT the constellation that drives a person to commit suicide. This
is already in the field.
Perhaps what was in the field the constellator did not perceive. However,
even if it was perceived, what could have been done?
We need to be more humble towards this greater force.
And accept the clients choice. Nothing else we can do.
Zaquie C Meredith
Sao Paulo, Brazil
Socióloga, Consteladora e Psicoterapeuta
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Author of Book: The Conscience of our Sensations (amazon)
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On 31/03/15 11:31, "Maria Goossens goossens.maria@xxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear all,
As a result of the suicide of one of my patients short after a
constellation done by a colleague, I want to rise an ethical issue.
As a physician, at least in Belgium, we are ALWAYS responsible for our
patients. I raised this issue before the start of the workshop I
organized for my colleague. This responsibility makes, that even if the
colleague does the constellation, I¹m still the physician of my patients.
My colleague did not agree that I participated as the physician of my
patients. His idea was that I was as one of the other participants. Seen
I could not take my responsibility towards my patients, I stayed home the
second day in order not to disturb the ongoing workshop.
With the feedback of my patients, with the suicide in mind, the issue
that I want to rise is the following:
As a physician we have full responsibility for the well-being of our
patients, promote their health and relieve their pain.
The position is different for a psychologist or another care-giver.
As a physician, whatever treatment we use, including constellations, we
always have full responsibility for the treatment we choose and our
patients.
Second point is that patients always have to ask for help at the
physician in the first place. So, as a physician we are not allowed to
send them emails with invitations for workshops.
It¹s clear for myself that I was not acting in line with the ethics of my
profession that particular weekend. I placed the wishes of my colleagues
above the ethics of my profession.
Whether my presence at the workshop could have prevented this suicide, we
will never know.
For myself, it feels as very important that the ethics of my profession
could be recognized by colleagues doing constellations.
Mieke
Maria Goossens, MD
goossens.maria@xxxxxxxxxx
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