Regarding your response to Vinay (which is included below), Sadhana Kay,
It seems that the topic has veered. We may all perhaps agree that constellation
work is underpinned by deep spiritual connectedness but I wonder if promoting a
single kind of spiritual philosophy is in the best interests of CT? I could
easily expound my own particular spiritual practices and so could any one of
us. However, Kay, your post feels a bit like a preacher telling his flock to
do his bidding. I would acknowledge that there might be a place here to share
the diversity of spiritual growth but that it would require a topical
introduction and an open format to encourage thinking toward the broader view
and not the more limited view.
I am not choosing to voice my own thoughts at this point on meditation or
contemplation or prayer. Your views on spiritual growth may or may not be a
valid underpinning for constellation work but to discuss them, I think that a
topic ought to be stated in the topic line and that your particular views need
to be presented as your personal opinions. I may or may not have the same
understanding about all constellation work that you do. You stand in this
post, it appears to me, in a place that looks down on the community gathered
here at CT to preach to us how we ought to see things. My perspective is often
quite different than your perspective or that of others here. And that is
perfect. We walk in unique slippers. Your size may not fit me.
Trusting that all words we share here on CT are grounded in the power of love
which enlightens. Anni
--- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Kay Needham
<familyconstellationinfo@...> wrote:
Hello Vinay and others interested in this thread,
There is something about all systemic work that is worth understanding and is
sometimes not seen. That is, that every system is a living system that grows
via
1. Feeding
2. Excreting
The actions of taking in and taking out are essential for growth.
Human beings are also what we refer to as "a dissipative system."
As facilitators we tend to focus on "feeding" and often forget "excreting."
It is essential for "waste" to move out of a living system also.
Waste is the past.
Waste is the mind.
If we are also feeding with mind we are adding to the waste.
Techniques and meditations that give a taste of no mind are needed to help
clients release the past. Active meditations designed by Osho where designed
for this reason to compliment all forms of therapy working with trauma. To
provide support for body mind opening. These meditations work very well, and
are very scientific in their approach. They are designed to assist meditation
as a tool for transformation.
www.osho.com
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Kind regards
Sadhana
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From: Steve Vinay Gunther <spirited@...>
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:33 AM
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Re: epigenetics and trauma: And what can we do
to aleviate this?????
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Hi folks
This discussion interests me in terms of understanding something I have have
quite worked out.
In my constellation work I very rarely hear back that someone left it in some
way that didnt work for them. The exception was something that happened when
I worked with some aboriginal students in a Masters of Indiginous studies and
Trauma Healing, at a local Uni. I worked with the class on a number of
occasions, using both Gestalt and constellations work. Everything went really
well - the class really appreciated the approaches, and the therapeutic work
was particularly poignant. When it came to doing the constellation work with
them, it seemed perfect. Within a cultural frame, they could of course
immediately recognise the nature of the work, and they took to it readily.
Because of the extremely complex intergenerational trauma that has resulted
from government policy (removing children from their families), the
constellation work seemed to be highly effective in being able to embrace the
largeness of the trauma, and work with it.
So, everyone was pleased, moved, and reported positively.
Because of the nature of the course, the subject of trauma was something they
were familiar with, and the coordinator of the course spent time with them
talking about it, looking at healing modalities etc. However, what happened
afterward the constellation work I did with them is that over the course of a
number of months, a number of people in the course started to really act out
in quite destructive ways. ALthough none of the students held a negative
impression of the constellation work, the coordinator suspected that it was
the trigger for a flood of trauma which was too much, and hence the acting
out. As a result, I did not get a chance to go back and continue the work or
do any followup.
It seems that the resources of the course, and the individuals, were not
enough to handle what got opened up, even though within the constellations
themselves it appeared a great deal of healing took place. I had recommended
followup work, both individual and collective, but the resources of the uni
and the structure of the course were such that that level of work was not
available.
I continue to wonder about that experience, and what to learn from it.
Reading this thread makes me think that this was a situation where the
PTSD/complex trauma was bigger than what the course, or I could offer. It
makes me wonder about what I could have done differently, or whether theres
instances where I need to somehow slow the constellation down, so not too
much gets opened up. This is a strange thought, as I generally just have a
sense of serviing the field in front of me, as it opens up, in its own rhythm.
Interested in people's comments.
Vinay
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