Re: this work

From: "birgitsagmeister" <biggi_craig@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:25:51 -0000

Dear Tomas and all others

Thank you very much for taking the time to share your thoughts. And thank you
for
bringing my awareness back to the importance of the "little" things we can do
every
moment in our lives and the domino effect it has for everything there is. It is
sometimes
easy to get overwhelmed with the enormity of suffering and pain that is
unfolding in many
places on this earth (as the profound conversation that is going on at the
moment shows).
And it is this energy of becoming overwhelmed that sometimes can cloud the
importance
of the"little" things I CAN do every day. From little things big things come
and your are
absolutely right. If we can touch and/or open only one heart a day it already
has made a
massive difference to our collective consciousness. My deepest honor, respect
and
gratetude goes out to ALL of you that are doing all these little and big things
every day. I
am always deeply touched reading about your archievements, commitment, courage,
devotion and passion you bring to this work.

Can evil be defeated? I hope that one day I can honor the "good" just as much
as the "evil".
This is what really draws me to FC. It is the honor and love for what is. Just
like nature. We
would not know and apreciate day without night, summer without winter, hot
without cold.
Dualities. The endless circles of death and rebirth. That's why I feel really
passionate about
bringing different aspects of working with - as you call it - a field of
different forces and
energies - together. In Ecopsychology I have experienced how nature takes on
the role of
the practitioner and provides all the "tools" necersary for the client. Has
anybody ever tried
a constellation out in nature? I also heard somebody talking about Shamanic
constellations
and would love to get more information on this. I am planing to get qualified
as a FC
practitioner this year and would be very grateful for reccomendations were I
can do this ( I
am living in Sydney) my personal e-mail is biggi_craig@xxxxxxxxxxx.
I thank you all for your wisdom, knowledge and sharing and for allowing me to
be part of
this conversation without being able to offer all the experience you have.

Blessings to all of you
Birgit

--- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Tomás Kohn <tkohnr@...> wrote:

Hello Birgit and all others,

First I wish to say that I feel like talking in a big public square where at
this time there

are at least two intense conversations taking place (with many voices and
profound
insights), and I am not sure if these simultaneous threads really allow me to
listen and talk
with clarity.

On reading your mail and the questions you ask towards the end (yourself and
others?):

"My question is how do we open our clients/public to an understanding of "the
field", "the
great mystery", of all there is and that all there is is interconnected?" I was
left with the
impression that you had provided most of the answers yourself earlier in your
mail when
you said:

"and the most important thing I have learned is how important honour,
respect,

compassion and humility is in this kind of work. How important it is to step
back and
ALLOW the unfolding. How

important it is to keep ego and judgement out of it. How much of this work
can not be

explained with words."

As you, me and hopefully many more, maintain (attempt?) the daily path along
these

basic attitudes, perhaps you, me and many others will on occasions feel, sense
and
experience that one heart has been touched, one pair of eyes and ears opened.
Would it
not be beautiful if the couple of thousand constellators around the world just
touched and
opened one heart a month! and imagine each of those touched hearts would again
touch
another human soul and so on ....

For me this is a very healing image, an image of hope, one in which I just do
a small

step each time and do it the best I can, with all my love and respect for each
and every
human, even those that I first dislike or whose utterances I do not understand
or perhaps
those I look down upon or plainly don't see. A work for a life time ..........

And yet, if this were to happen would evil be defeated? (would my potential
for evil

vanish?), would there be no pain and suffering? (would my capacity to inflict
pain and
suffering evaporate?) would goodness prevail? (would I be good?). Each one of
us will
encounter these questions many times and perhaps give his or her different
personal
answers as each makes her/his way. For me, even my "No" to these questions does
not
leave me with a sense of despair, it leaves me with a sense of my tiny
possibility of
contribution within a field of forces and energies that are beyond me.

All the best and warm regards,

Tomás Kohn

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: birgitsagmeister
  To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:34 AM
  Subject: [SPAM][ConstellationTalk] Re: this work

  Dear Daniel

  Your words have touched me and I resonate with a lot you say. I am just
reading the

book

Eastern Body - Western Mind - Psychology and the Chakra System as path to
the self.

One

statement that the author Anodea Judith made really made me think. She said
- I

quote:

"The idea that mind and body exist on a spiritual continuum has finally
entered the
mainstream. The good news is that it makes the chakra system accessible to
more

people

as a template for transformation. The shadow side of this exposure is that
at least in

the

West, any cultural meme that gets seized by the collective consciousness
runs the risk

trivialization, thus diluting its power." I am not a qualified FC
practitioner yet but was
introduced to it 6 years ago on one of my visits home (Austria). I grew up
in a small

village

were people are not as open to change and newness. Especially in this kind
of area

since

  there is a very strong religious (catholic) ground. To my suprise everybody
was talking
  about FC and many of the locals have been part of a constellation
themselves. I heard
  comments like "I did a constellation for so and so and this and that
happend to him

after

that" as if they were talking about some kind of magic that they had
"bought" for a

loved

one. When I went back again 3 year ago nobody was talking about it anymore.
I am just finishing my diploma in Ecopsychology and soul centred healing
and the

most

important thing I have learned is how important honour, respect, compassion
and

humility

  is in this kind of work. How important it is to step back and ALLOW the
unfolding. How
  important it is to keep ego and judgement out of it. How much of this work
can not be
  explained with words. Part of our diploma was also shamanism and I agree
with you

that

Shamans can not be formed but I also believe that many of us can REMEMBER
again to
become Shamans with the right teacher/mentor. I feel that this last 2 years
have given

  a wonderful ground for soul work like FC. My question is how do we open our
  clients/public to an understanding of "the field", "the great mystery", of
all there is and
  that all there is is interconnected? If we would be able to give them only
a glimpse of

this

could it change the way how the work is honoured and therefor how it will
be

integrated

into their lives? I would love to bring different aspects together in my
furture work
(shamanism, energetic work, soul work, journey work and family
constellation). If

anybody

  has had experience with bringing different aspects into family
constellation I would be
  very thankfull for your sharing.

  Thanks for listening
  Blessings
  Birgit

  --- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Daniel MacLean

<constelacionesbolivia@>

  wrote:
  >
  > Hi all,
  > In Bolivia it was just two of us doing constellations having had formal
training in

Buenos

Aires. Then there appeared some constellators that just attended some
workshops. The
movement was getting strong but then it started to fade. I myself am
leaving it behind

and

  exploring other paths.
  > I think this work:
  > - It started too fast, and as the I Ching says, that which takes too
little time to grow,
  soon vanishes.
  > - It is considered new age or any kind of simile.
  > - It's not easy or prone to be systematized.
  > - it's not easy or prone to be taught(although it can be learned)
  > -- It's too shamanic and intuitive, it depends almost nothing on the
therapist's
  knowledge or curricula but on what Castaneda would say "personal power"
Shamans

are

  born not formed.
  > **** I am using the word shaman or shamanisitc in a very general way****
  > -- Those who are making the greater efforts to systematize(finding the
grammar

and all

that nonsense) the work are in the branch of business, whose needs and
demands are

FAR

from those of dealing with Soul and Other Forces.
> - FC being so, legitimately close to shamanism and religion attracted

practitioners(too

many) with what Jung would call a God Complex. Ah! it is such a glamorous
work, isn't

it?

> - We live in times when this kind of movements are born and die quickly.
Others are
brought to light using the recovered "organs" of diseased therapies and
schools.

Hellinger

himself recovered so many techniques form what was not long a ago the last
and

ultimate

  fad like NLP.
  >
  > My own forecast for this work:
  > - It will give rise to many new approaches using many recovered organs,
visions, and
  insiparations, from it's brilliant creator. Some may maintain the word
Constellation
  somewhere in it's new name.
  > - A small and almost unheard group will keep the standards and the old
flavor.
  > - In 5 years if we are still alive, it will be one of the many, many
alternative therapies
  that have came and gone.
  > - The biggest movement of a particular approach that will still endure
maybe for

100

more yrs. will be... yes our old Dr. Freud and his prodigal son Lacan and
their dusty

and

  old Torah: Psychoanalysis.
  >
  > The state of the work today?
  > I think it has already died. What do I, naughty boy, mean with that? Well
just that.

Maybe

exactly what Nietzsche meant when he said God died. But as the title of a
Hellinger's
book(in Portuguese) says... something like "Only When The Fruit Dies, The
Seed

Sprouts"

  >
  > Cheers
  > Daniel.
  >



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