Re: trauma resolution & Shaman training

From: "Franz Kalab" <franz@xxxxxxxx>
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:42:21 -0000

I perceive profound differences between a traditional shaman
experience and for example my own personal shamanic experience.

a) The traditional shaman has a tradition and community to serve. I
don't.

b) The traditional shaman enters his course of experiences in
training for possibly becoming a shaman to a community. Mine occured
spontaneously and I learned to perceive them as part of my personal
individuation proces; like an unasked for "good morning!" of my very
own subconscious.

c) The traditional shaman is tied into the higher reality of his
community. I tie in ever more into my own reality. It may still be
risky to become oneself.

The archetypal similarity in experience does not require a similarity
in meaning, expression and community. The profound differences center
around community and indviduality, due to the structures of the
different societies.

Regards,
Not-Sneh ;-)

--- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Chris Walsh"
<chrisjwalsh@...> wrote:

Dear Sneh,

As I understand it in traditional shaman "training" the apprentice

sometimes

does not complete the training and sometimes this is because they

either die

or go irretrievably mad in the process of their training. Many have

psychotic illness from which they recover which if fact becomes a

spiritual

awakening However a trained shaman was considered so valuable to

the social

group/tribe that these risks were considered well worthwhile. I

don't know

what happens in the modern day shamanism practiced by non tribal

westerners.

hasta la vista

Chris Walsh

Melbourne, Australia
webpage: <http://www.cwalsh.com.au> www.cwalsh.com.au

From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sneh ;

Victoria

Sent: Friday, 30 January 2009 3:10 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Re: trauma resolution

Hi Meredith (or is Zaquie your first name?), painful to hear about
your bad experience in breath work. Sometimes I forget that there

are

indeed many inexperienced people out there. In Constellation work

course too. And Anngwynn, of course you are right about what helps

finding resolution. I am just wondering that we all did not get

traumatized with all the many experiences we dived into, often

quite

innocently...that brings me back to my idea that it is the person,
using the technique who matters. Maybe a person of understanding

and

compassion can be such a strong resource needed for the balance on
the level of the nervous system. That could explain also, why

shamans

when they train, do not have much "fall out" amongst their students
we hear from even if many of their techniques lead straight into

the

center of the deepest fear and pain. I am still exploring this

idea.

Sneh

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