[ddots-l] AW: Re: A question that is relewant for us all: Am I alone in this situation?
- From: "Patrick Schuppe" <p.schuppe@xxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 00:21:12 +0200
Hi DJ X and all,
Unfortnetly I have had to upgrade to msn 7 today and in the process I lost
all my contacts from 4 years.
Can you please add djtrancegate@xxxxxxxxxxx to your list? thanks!
Patrick
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]Im Auftrag von D!J!X!
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Oktober 2007 19:08
An: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Betreff: [ddots-l] Re: A question that is relewant for us all: Am I
alone in this situation?
Hey don't worry, we'll find some time to talk, and after that you will have
created your first song, even if I have to sit there with you for hours! :)
even if it is the dumbest thing ever, the joy one gets when one has
accomplished that is definitely worth it...
D!J!X!
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Patrick Schuppe
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:14 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: A question that is relewant for us all: Am I alone in
this situation?
Hello all,
First of all thanks a lot for all your replays. that shows me that I am not
alone. thanks again for coming out. I know it isnt easy as it isnt for me,
too.
As written in my first email I come from music mixing to music making with
out knowing anything about music making at all. My only experince was that 1
year of training at the piano long ago. Most of it is gone.
Special thanks also to you DJX! I will contact you later this day or
tomorrow to find out a time when we can talk.
My next goal is to make my first song even if it is the stupitst one on the
planet! After all my mixing sessions I have had something in hand that I
could show. Since 1,5 years I am working on Sonar now and make progress but
nothing that I can show. I miss that dearly.
Also thanks to you Mary for your suggestion. I was working in Sonar and
when ever I didnt know something I was looking in the manual. But I will do
now as you have suggested.
I still think that a audio tutorial about things would be helpful. I may
even do them myself later on when I know how things work.
I am still working with Sonar 5.2 because I see no need to upgrade if I am
just learning.
so, thats for today. Keep the suggestions coming. I am thinking about
creating a little homepage where we all can publish audio material about
working with ct and Sonar.
All the best from Germany,
Patrick Schuppe
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]Im Auftrag von Mary Ellen Earls
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Oktober 2007 15:47
An: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Betreff: [ddots-l] Re: A question that is relewant for us all: Am I alone in
this situation?
How I am approaching this is taking one lesson at a time and going through
the book that way.
I am just going to start lesson 6 today, as a matter of fact.
What I do since I have this on my Braille Note is I read the lesson in
Speech, then I go back and study it with the Braille Display then I quickly
read with speech the next day's lesson.
I then go back and write out what I have gleaned from the lesson and yes, I
do have to go back and look but that is just how I have done it.
Mary Ellen Earls
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricky Prevatte" <rickyprevatte@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:02 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: A question that is relewant for us all: Am I alone in
this situation?
> Every body Gordon has done a tutorial like you are talking about. I
> can not tell you where on the web site it is for the life of me. This
> is caketalking so do not for get to read the tutorial files they will
> explain allot. I am not being redundant but I did not use them like
> that for a while they really work folks.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dennis Freedman" <dennis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:32 PM
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: A question that is relewant for us all: Am I
> alone in this situation?
>
>
>> Yes I agree with all you write. We have enough of us out there to
>> help. I have just migrated from the old CWPA9.3 that I used to use at
>> College as a teacher five years ago, but since then I have been
>> completely out of this scene.
>> Much of what I read about the new Sonar 6 and 7 in this list is way,
>> way beyond my comprehension and, I must say, my needs. Perhaps we
>> need a beginner's list, or a mentoring group, or as you suggest a
>> much more interactive tutorial with music examples or whatever.
>> Just my thoughts.
>> Dennis in the UK.
>>
>>
>> Mary Ellen Earls wrote:
>>> No Patrick, you are most definitely not alone. Just read my last
>>> message.
>>> Mary Ellen Earls
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Schuppe"
>>> <p.schuppe@xxxxxx>
>>> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:28 PM
>>> Subject: [ddots-l] A question that is relewant for us all: Am I
>>> alone in this situation?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello all together,
>>>> Patrick Schuppe here from Bielefeld in Germany.
>>>>
>>>> this mail is long to read but I think its word it so please keep on
>>>> reading.
>>>>
>>>> It took me a time to realy come out and write this email because I
>>>> am not well in standing up and saying that I need help or have a
>>>> problem that I cant solve myself. But this time I think I am not
>>>> alone and that my writing of this mail may help others, too.
>>>>
>>>> 1,5 years ago I bought Sonar 5.0 along with CT. From then on I
>>>> tried to make my first moves. that realy isnt easy because I never
>>>> have had much to do with producing music.
>>>> I was working as a DJ for 12 years privatly in the dance area. I
>>>> always dreamed of making my own music. So when I discovered that it
>>>> is possible to make my own music with Sonar and CT I sold all of my
>>>> DJ equitment plus my venyls to buy myself a music pc with Sonar and
>>>> a few syntesizers.
>>>> Over 1,5 years I try to figure it out by my self now. I am not
>>>> saying I didnt make any progress but what I am asking is if there
>>>> are more people in my situation.
>>>> So here are exactly my problems:
>>>> 1: I have had problems with a not working soundcard witch I now
>>>> have changed to the M-audio Delta 1010 LT.
>>>> 2: I have had 3 hardware syntesizers (the Roland JP8080 and the
>>>> Virus B plus an other one. I sold them all 3 because I wasnt able
>>>> to connect them right to the pc to get audio and midi working and I
>>>> wasnt able to use them as I wanted.
>>>>
>>>> this are my solved problems so to say.
>>>>
>>>> I now have an Access Virus TI, Sf2 syntesizers, a Radium 61 plus a
>>>> lot of samples and midis to work with.
>>>> I am sharing my difficolties in the beginning here because I think
>>>> that there for new blind people to real music producing there
>>>> should be more help.
>>>> I am not running against anyone! What I am saying is that there are
>>>> more people who mixed music as a DJ like me wanting to make their
>>>> own.
>>>> So I thought buying this and just start will do it but it will not.
>>>> there is
>>>> much more to it. What I wish as an out coming of this email is a
>>>> discusion about this matter and a solution for all blind people who
>>>> just start with music.
>>>>
>>>> One big big difficalty I still have is that I am realy missing my
>>>> mixer very very much! most of the mixing stuff is now in my pc
>>>> accessible from knops in a program. I would feel much better if I
>>>> could access this from a mixer or so.
>>>>
>>>> Before I wrote this mail I have made myself a lot of thoughts what
>>>> would help real beginners realy quick to get to it fast so that
>>>> they dont louse fight as I was close to.
>>>> Here are my suggestions:
>>>> 0: I call this 0 because I think it should be with in the Sonar and
>>>> CT
>>>> pakage:
>>>> A audio welcome cd or mp3 file containing of the following:
>>>> - How to install stuff,
>>>> - how to get help
>>>> - how to solve problems
>>>> - the information where audios how to use sonar and CT and how to
>>>> produce music can be found (the outcoming of this projekt)
>>>>
>>>> 1. audio material to learn:
>>>> what I mean by that is that for nearly everything there is with
>>>> music there could be an mp3 file explaining something or do
>>>> something or hear someone doing something where people easy can
>>>> follow along. I think that we all today learn much better if we can
>>>> listen to someone doing something and do it at the same time
>>>> (following along)
>>>> examples:
>>>> - explaining midi and audio
>>>> - assigning midi aktions to kayboard weals and knops
>>>> - working with audio and midi
>>>> - how does sonar and ct works
>>>> - how to prooduce my first very own unikwe song!!! this one is
>>>> realy importent and should be done in detail!
>>>> - how to edit, copy and correct mistakes in detail so that it
>>>> sounds nice later on.
>>>> - and much more
>>>>
>>>> I see this as a team projekt! I think noone could do this alone but
>>>> we all as a list could help startups to continue enjoying working
>>>> with music.
>>>> Even
>>>> I call my self a startup because I until today didnt managed it to
>>>> prooduce my first own song. May be because my expectations are to
>>>> high for my first song. this could be an ongoing projekt and
>>>> everyone could contribute to it.
>>>>
>>>> 2: I think we should open up a website where people who work with
>>>> sonar can post their assistens and help tutorials. May be we can
>>>> even create weekly or daily meetings where people meet to make
>>>> music or get questions answered in a chat room.
>>>>
>>>> 3: for people who didnt play an instrument where they can learn to
>>>> play the piano or kayboard.
>>>>
>>>> I have learned playing piano for 1 year when I was 10 years old but
>>>> unfortnetly I lost interest because I wasnt able to make dance
>>>> music on my pc. So I call myself an non instrument player. But I
>>>> will go to the music school here in Bielefeld and ask for help in
>>>> learning to play the kayboard in the next few weeks.
>>>>
>>>> thats it for my first email.
>>>> I hope I get at last the question answered if I am alone in this
>>>> situation.
>>>> Please if you are in my situation then please post! I think
>>>> strongly only if we say something and ask for help only then we can
>>>> get help.
>>>>
>>>> Let us get the discusion started and produce something that will
>>>> help startups get to it quicker.
>>>>
>>>> I can and will offer my help where ever I can! Once I have learned
>>>> something its now problem of creating an audio for it.
>>>> My big dream is to produce an audio that shows how to create an
>>>> dance Song from beginning to the end.
>>>>
>>>> all the best here from Germany,
>>>> Patrick Schuppe
>>>>
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