Wait I'm confused, what do you mean? Why wouldn't you want a loop to sink with sonar's tempo, most people wanna do that. If you wanna find out the speed of the file, put it in sound forge, count out the beats in it, say 2 bars, 8 beats, 4 bars, 16 beats, etc. Then you put them in to sound forge's special>edit tempo box, you choose beats as the format, put in the number of beats in the box and the box next to it will update itself with the new speed. Hope this makes sense, as I'm not uite sure what you are asking... Regards, D!J!X! _____ From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Pilkington Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:37 AM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Determining Time Length?Tempo of Wave Files Does anyone know how to determine the specific running time of a Wave file without importing it into Sonar? Or, how do I keep a loop from conforming to the tempo setting once I've loaded it into Sonar. I need to know the original tempo, or at least the original time duration and then I can calculate what the original tempo is. * In His abounding grace, Jay Pilkington, Director of Worship and Music Alive In Christ, Phone: 573-499-0443 X203 "Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, to Him [be] glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen." (Eph 3:20-21 NKJV)