[ddots-l] Re: Drive Size - Was Re: Relationship of audio files to CWP projects in a data recovery situation
- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 09:32:35 -0700
Kevin,
Thanks for feeding back that info. I actually had a hard time finding a
Seagate drive with a 5-year warranty, in the 1 to 2 Terabye size. Given your
price point of just under $100 for half a Terabye, I can then extrapolate to
something around $300 to $400 for a 2 Tb drive. Who was your vendor, if
on-line?
Dave
Created in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 09:09
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Relationship of audio files to CWP projects in a data
recovery situation
Dave,
thanks for finding this. As it turns out, the drive I chose is a
Seagate with a 5 year warenty and cost about $96.00 for 500GB. I wouldn't
want anything larger because I wouldn't wantt o congregate a lot of data in
any one place against exactly the kind of catastrophic failure Bryan
describes. Eventually, I will get a Mac and Time Machine and so on.
K.
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 3:07 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Relationship of audio files to CWP projects in a data
recovery situation
Kevin,
Here's partial text from a Brian Smart message on hard drives. Use this as
your guide, since I'm not the expert that he is.
Start inserted text *****
When you all buy hard drives, particularly for this type of work, you need
to be picky customers. What you should not do, and I know that this is
difficult, but absolutely do not base your purchasing decision primarily on
cost. Hard drive quality has gone way, way down in recent years. Where once
(as recent as 10 years ago), nearly every drive in the world came with a 5
year warranty, and could be counted on to, in most cases, run for 3 or 4
times that length before failing, most consumer drives now only carry a 1
year warranty, and will fail in 1 to 3 years, usually sooner. If you're
buying a drive to put in to a gaming or office PC, and you routinely make
backups, then go for the bargain. If you're using these drives for long term
storage of information that can't be reproduced (those one time great takes
in a session), or represent lots of effort (Kevin's tape conversion
project), then buying cheap drives is like buying a house without insurance.
It is an indescribable feeling when, years later, that drive won't work, you
realize that the data is gone, and then realize that, for practical
purposes, that huge block of your life that you spent creating the data is
also wasted.
My recommendation is that you buy one of the higher end Seagate drives. Even
their consumer drives carry a 3 year warranty, which is rare now, but their
enterprise class drives include 5 year warranties. The warranty represents
the drive surviving the expected amount of use over the warranty period.
Some people might use the drive continuously. Other people might use it
occasionally, and store it in a safe the rest of the time. For me, a
manufacturer's warranty period is as strong of statement as any about how
long they expect the product to last, and, therefore, how well it is built.
Consumer drives are only moderately stressed in home PCs. So, the 3 year
warranty represents that the drive will stand up to 3 years of moderate use.
The enterprise class drives are designed for servers, where the drive will
be under near continuous use. Seagate warrants 5 years for those drives,
under continuous use. Running one of those in a home PC or DAW, you can
expect much longer operation. You can quickly identify most of Seagate's
enterprise drives with the model suffix NS.
The price difference isn't too bad, either. One of their 500GB enterprise
class drives is about $90. 1TB will cost closer to $200. That's a bit more
than the typical hard drive, but, hey, your monthly house payment would be
less, too, if you didn't have to pay for insurance against fires and flood,
or if they built your house out of particle board.
When you're looking, rotational speed and cache don't matter, if the drive
is for archival purposes. Rotational speed improves seek time, and you won't
be recording 32 tracks at once to this drive, so no need to pay extra for
that. Cache would be useful if you were working with high track counts,
also, but you aren't. For archival purposes, you want a high quality drive
with a long warranty. For system and audio drives in a DAW, you want those
things, plus the high rotational speed and cache memory.
End inserted text *****
Dave
Created in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:39
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Relationship of audio files to CWP projects in a data
recovery situation
Dave,
As usual, you reminded me of something in an e-mail I may have accidentally
deleted. I'll get right on the server class thing. K.
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 2:22 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Relationship of audio files to CWP projects in a data
recovery situation
...and as Brian proposes, stick to the server-class drives. Cost a bit more,
but are meant for long life and continuous running.
Dave
Created in the Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Jose, California
----- Original Message -----
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To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:17
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Relationship of audio files to CWP projects in a data
recovery situation
Still go for Seagate here. Had a western digital drive fail a while back.
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs
Sent: 03 September 2010 18:24
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Relationship of audio files to CWP projects in a data
recovery situation
Bryan,
You won't believe it. A data recovery service I engaged says that they have
recovered all the data from the busted drive. It was a mechanical failure.
It will cost big bucks but is covered by my musical instrument insurance,
distinct from my homeowner's iinsurance. Now, I need your advice on a
quality SATA HD? Seagate still good? K.
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Bryan Smart
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:45 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Relationship of audio files to CWP projects in a data
recovery situation
Kevin, the audio files are just .wav. If they can recover them, you can
import them in to a new project. However, while you'll have the recorded
audio, without the project, it will be up to you to line all of them up in
terms of time. Remember that those recordings are of clips, not tracks. One
track could consist of any number of clips.
I won't nag you about backups, since the need is painfully obvious now, I'm
sure. The thing is that, while there are many ways to backup your computer,
you need to find a way that requires little effort. Backing up the computer
is something that must happen frequently (once every few days, or once a
week at minimum for a business). If backing up the computer is an involved
project with lots of steps and screens, you won't want to do it, and you'll
unconsciously avoid it. Even if you must pay more cash, get something that
is as automatic as possible.
I'm not sure what to suggest on Windows, though. The Mac has a tool called
Time Machine built in to the OS. It's pretty powerful: kind of like a
combination of system restore and a drive imaging tool. You can go back in
to backups to get individual files, but you can also completely restore the
computer from a backup. Since it uses incremental backups, if you want a
specific file, or if you want to restore the whole computer, you can select
any date when you previously ran the backup for the restore. While it's
powerful, though, it is brainless to operate. You only set it up once, when
you first start using it. After that, all you need to do in order to update
your backup is to plug in the external hard drive. The Mac knows that the
drive that has been attached is your backup drive, and automatically starts
updating it with any files that have changed since the last backup.
What I do is to get the backup drive out of the safe on Mondays when I get
up, and attach it to the computer. I go shower, eat breakfast, and, by the
time I get back, it has finished updating the backup. Then, I just
disconnect the drive and put it back in the safe. It is hardly a bother
working this way, so I don't feel tempted to avoid it. I have a second
off-site drive that I keep in case of disaster. About once every month or
so, I take my backup drive to the off-site location (can be the house of a
trusted friend, family, or bank safety deposit box), leave it, and bring the
one that I previously left there back home. Once home, I update its backup,
and put it back in the safe. This way, if a computer dies, I never lose more
than a week of data. Even in case of fire, all of my business records and
projects are protected on the backup drive in the safe, and I lose no more
than a week. If the backup drive itself fails, I can replace it and create
new backups from the functioning computers, and lose nothing. If there is a
horrific disaster that completely destroys my house, I have the off-site
drive, and, with insurance, will be back up with computers in a few days,
using my off-site backup, and losing no more than a month of data.
This is a lot of protection for a little bit of effort. Hopefully, you can
work out something similar for the future.
Bryan
From: Kevin Gibbs <mailto:kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:45 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Relationship of audio files to CWP
projects in a data recovery situation
Guys,
The worst has happened. I had a hard disk crash and I
may need to have some CWP files recovered whose audio is in the general
audio folder instead of its own per project folder. If I send the drive to
a pro data recovery service and they're able to recover data selectively, is
there any way to direct them to the audio files that relate to the cwp file
being recovered if they don't have Sonar themselves?
It doubt it's possible or even practical to cherry-pick things this way.
I just thought I'd ask.
Kevin
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