Well my sightling computer buddy, ground down the kanifler pin, bored a new whole in the muffler, tightened up the lug nuts, and what do you know, the loop explorer does what it's suppose to. When I hit enter, it inserts the darned loop right where it should amazing! Yes? Yes! Actually what he did was change the view, somehow I got in there, and switched it to large icons, now I never heard the puter say this, but thats what it was in the loop explorer, so it wasn't reading the whole file name, and allowing acces to the insert I guess. Anyway, we're now back to list view and it all works, and I think that's super! Ha ha ha! Such a deal. http://www.gbrayton.com