Steve, I thought it was hilarious. I've only seen this archaic nomenclature cited in the Sibelius User Guide, which was produced in the UK. I suspect that our Atlantic neighbors left them in there in case some musical theorists still used them. I tried brev and quavers on my Jazz Piano instructor years ago as part of lyrics to a song, and he was mystified. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Wicketts To: ddtots Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 08:34 Subject: [ddots-l] I must apologise Hi all members of this list. Before I receive emails of complaint regarding some previous posts. I feel I must apologise for sending up how pompous English can be with the long winded terminology used in music notation. There are people who wouldn't have taken kindly to my, "One feels that one must stress, that it is in fact Original English, British through and through." I also must apologise for my poor attempt at trying to be funny by hinting that the long names are drop purely to simplify music for other Countries. although my comments were meant purely has harmless fun, I've since reread my emails and can see that they may of offended some people. I hope most of you took my comments in the jovial context in which they were meant. I would never intentionally upset anyone on this list. I see you not just as information sharing support, I think of you as friends. Would never intentionally offend my friends. Steve W __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5047 (20100421) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com