Correct. In fact, both of those ship in versions of Sonar from 8 and beyond. Regards, Phil Muir Accessibility Training Telephone: US (615) 713-2021 UK+44-1747-821-794 Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246 E-mail: info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx URL: www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jörgen Hansson Sent: 09 February 2010 03:09 To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Question Hi! I think that the tube leveler and true piano is bundled with sonar 8.5 if I remember correctly. Regards, Jörgen Hansson! Tel +46 703-601296 www.jorgenhansson.com skype: djtropical4532 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeremy jeffers To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 12:48 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Question High all. I just upgraded from sonar 7 to sonar 85. I was woundering how do you get the true pianos and the tube levaler? Do i have to have sonar 8 to get that?