Hi, The oficial DancingDots recommendations regarding the Patches are for some time. and stil is: " That is, run the 8.5.2 and 8.5.3 patches. I believe that the 8.5.1 Matrix View patch is included in the 8.5.2 patch so that there is no need to run it. All of the other patches listed are not necessary for CakeTalking users as far as they know." Rui Vilarinho ----- Original Message ----- From: Rui Vilarinho To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 9:13 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Sonar 8.5 updates , Patches Hi list, It's important to understand better this Patch update topic agreed? I just visit the www.cakewalk.com Sonar 8.5 support website. Regarding updates, i finded the folowing: SONAR 8.5.3 AudioSnap Update SONAR 8.5.2 Update V-Studio 100 Control Surface Installer (x64 and x86) SONAR Web Trial SONAR Producer 8.5.1 Matrix View Update EUCON Control Surface Plug-in For me it seems that this patches are obviously updated, since 2 years ago only appeared something like; 8.5.2 and 8.5.3 patches. Now! my curiosity goes for the SONAR Producer 8.5.1 Matrix View Update Never saw this one! I supposed that i dont need this patch since i work very well with Matrix view feature. The other patches name are diferent though! Anyway, Cake talking setup instaled perfectly with those 8.5.2 and 8.5.3 patches. Once again, with me was two years ago. I will gonna write un e-mail to dancingdots support just to know their recommendations.. regards, Rui Vilarinho