If what you mean is regarding learning how to improve your knowledge in Sonar using Cake talking, the step-by-step cake talking manual is imperative! Tip: Open the Doc manual file, press Jaws key plus F7 key to open links, than press the L key to jump between topic lessons. Read a specific lesson and test what you learn in Sonar. "Practice makes perfect!" Also important, when using Sonar, you will get extra info by reading Sonar help tutorial, F1 key. Remenber that when using Sonar, use the Jaws key plus the H key, you will open specific cake talking infromation help. regards, Rui Vilarinho ----- Original Message ----- From: Johan Piryns To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 11:43 AM Subject: [ddots-l] manual-question Hi, I have on pc two manuals: The tutorial from dancing dots and the manual from roland's sonar itself. witch one does I have to take or are the two important? Regards Johan Johan Piryns Pianist/muzikant Meer info: johan.piryns@xxxxxxxxx