The keyboardless Novation box is the Remote Zero. I have one. I'm in touch with guys at Novation and hope that they will make the product even more accessible and effective for us over time. -----Original Message----- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren H Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 3:52 AM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: question on control surfaces Hi. A co ntrol surface allows you to take control of your soft synths, the sonar track view and other midi parameters etc. A mixer is simply a way to route your audio. I use a Novation Remote SL MK II, which is a keyboard with a control surface. There's a keyboardless version too but I can't remember its model number. Cheers Darren If you like electronic, ambient, new age or atmospheric music, become a fan of The Karmistry Project on Facebook... http://facebook.karmistryproject.com You can also follow Karmistry Media on Twitter... http://www.twitter.com/Karmistrymedia ----- Original Message ----- From: Len Viljoen <mailto:len@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: [ddots-l] question on control surfaces hi all. i want to buy a good control surface. what do people on this list use? i don't need something with many channels. 8 channels will be sufficient. And one other question. what is the difference between a mixer and a control surface? i am a little confused because it seems both performs the same function? i'm probably missing something haha that's why i ask. kind regards