The '77 Aggieland shows that there was one Navy female on staff, two USAFs, and
the aforementioned Holtzman.
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Subject: [fighting_texas_aggie_band_class_of_1977] Re: Female AFROTC instructor
Our Zip year, there was a female Navy LT. Worthless as an advisor to an Aggie
NROTC Midshipman trying to make "career" decisions. Can't remember her name
right now, but I'd remember it if I heard it, as I did when she was brought up
in a FB thread a while back.
Recommended I put in for "the smaller type ships". Turns out every ship-type
she recommended I put on my dream sheet was being decommissioned or the class
down-sized, so fewer chances.
Screwed up my paperwork on a regular basis in the Trigon office, resulting in
multiple trips for the same paperwork.
Somehow "forgot" to get my initial Navy uniform order submitted with all the
other orders, resulting in me having to re-order at a later date and having to
pay extra for express shipping.
Didn't consider it important when all other Aug '77 grads orders arrived in a
group, sans your's truly. Only started panicking when graduation/commissioning
day rolled around and the brand-new shiny Ensign had nowhere to go. THAT
resulted in me having only 3 days to get to San Diego.
Didn't keep up with address changes when submitted - see previous issue - had
she maintained the list of addresses for her charges correctly, my first
command's welcome letter would have been sent to my home of record, resulting
in me knowing what my orders were long before commissioning. Instead, they
went to my old PO box which had been closed, so the letter was returned to the
sponsoring officer back on the ship, who had gone on leave prior to going on
pre-deployment leave, so he wasn't there to notify the command that there was
an issue.
And a few more.
Yeah, I can't remember her name but I can remember everything she F'd up,
On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 8:47 AM Bill Schwennsen <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I was D&C but Holtzman was the only female bull that year, as I remember. She
was disliked by many, both cadet and cadre. Her smart-ass Yankee mouth and
accent didn't exactly endear her to us Texican boys..... I believe she was on
staff on pisshead year also, I seem to remember having her for a few classes in
the Trigon.
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Subject: [fighting_texas_aggie_band_class_of_1977] Re: Female AFROTC instructor
I agree with Ted. LT Holtzman was the only female bull. She tried so hard to be
a ballbuster and failed miserably. I think the Aggie bulls weren’t particularly
enamored with her but the non Aggie ones treated her decently. Rumor was CPT
Webber our Army advisor was nailing her. I never believed it until our butt
year when Brian Green got me a job as a projectionist/cashier at the Sun
Theater and they walked in together to watch the groad flicks. I kept my eyes
straight ahead and didn’t act like I knew them or make eye contact but I know
he knew I recognized them. Hell, I was getting ready for summer camp and spent
enough time in his office. Groad
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On Mar 16, 2021, at 4:14 AM, Patrick Pennington <AggieFNP@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Queso, Ruth Ann was a good friend who just wanted to be a good Aggie and
officer. I did and do respect her a lot, but her hubby, JB is a political
douche IMO. She obviously loves him so what can I say? Oh, it wasn’t me that
sent ya. Groad
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On Mar 15, 2021, at 11:36 PM, Robert Spiller <rspiller@xxxxxxx> wrote:
It was not me!
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Subject: [fighting_texas_aggie_band_class_of_1977] Re: Female AFROTC instructor
Ruth Ann was our same class year. Not a bull. Or a bull-ette!
I once had a dinner date with her spring 77 and someone... I wonder who, sent
me to the quad the next day. A Monday. Duncan was closed on Sunday nights. We
had to eat off campus. My only quadding.
Anyone in this group gonna fess up?
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On Mar 15, 2021 22:11, Stephen Wright <dr.wilbur.wright@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Only one I knew was Ruth Ann Schumacher but I think she went Army.
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 10:05 PM Michael Brown <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hey, Dr. COL Wright, or other Air Force guys.
Do any of you recall a female officer in the ROTC detachment during our years
there?
Having an online discussion with a guy who claims his mom was one, in the first
year women were in the Corps, so 1974-1975. Says the male officers treated her
like crap, and some cadets refused to salute.
Sounds like a fairy tale to me, I was D&C, but would have been taken ROTC in
pisshead year, and I don't recall a female. You'd think one would be rare
enough to register on me.
A scan of the Aggielands online also fails to show any female officers in any
branch.
Dean
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Dr Steve "Wilbur" Wright