That Greenhouse Gas calculator is only doing tailpipe emissions right? I
see they say "total CO2 emissions for a gasoline vehicle are dominated by
emissions at the tailpipe" I find this hard to believe when you consider
all the electricity and oil needed in the drilling, pumping, refining, and
transporting. How many days/years of vehicle operations does it take to
get to where the tailpipe emissions add up to more than than the upstream
emissions?
On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 12:34 PM Overly Jonathan G <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Actually I’m starting with AFLEET online but will use that tool as well to
do the quicker analyses… thank you Stacy!! I will present results to group
in the coming days.
Peace
Jonathan
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*From:* knoxev-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <knoxev-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *On
Behalf Of *Davis Stacy
*Sent:* Thursday, April 8, 2021 12:33 PM
*To:* knoxev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [knoxev] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Project "FUD Fighter"
Jonathan:
Don’t go to all that trouble of running GREET. Just use the Greenhouse
Gas Emissions Calculator
<https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=bt2> on FuelEconomy.gov.
Pick any electric or plug-in hybrid vehicle and the zip code where the
vehicle is charging and it compares the emissions to the average ICE
vehicle. For plug-in hybrids it includes both upstream and tailpipe
emissions, and, obviously, only upstream emissions for a full EV.
I like putting in different zip codes and seeing the differences in the
emissions due to location of the charging.
Stacy
*From:* knoxev-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <knoxev-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *On
Behalf Of *Overly Jonathan G
*Sent:* Thursday, April 8, 2021 12:09 PM
*To:* knoxev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [knoxev] Re: Project "FUD Fighter"
We need to update our comparison of a standard FE car to an EV like a
leaf. I completed a GREET analysis using TVA's grid mix about a decade ago,
and I need to revise. I'll work on as I can and share later.
J
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*From:* knoxev-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <knoxev-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of Marty Young <youngma65500@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Thursday, April 8, 2021 11:03:03 AM
*To:* knoxev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <knoxev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [knoxev] Project "FUD Fighter"
Now that the Biden administration has proposed an infrastructure bill that
emphasizes EVs, something very predictable is beginning to occur...the
politicization and outright demonization of EVs is going into Ludicrous
Mode (pardon the Tesla pun).
In KEVA we have members who are Republicans, Democrats, and Independents.
We know that transitioning to EVs should be a nonpartisan issue.
Unfortunately, like almost everything else these days, EVs are becoming
just one more front in our increasingly uncivil political war. Of course
EVs have always been somewhat politically controversial, but the intensity
of the controversy is definitely rising.
Not surprisingly, the purveyors of FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) have
increased their efforts to spread as much misinformation as they
possibly can. And their efforts are having an effect. My own brother, a
highly educated and intelligent person who leans to the political left,
asked me recently if EVs really are better for the environment because he
had come across some information saying otherwise.
To help combat the FUD that is becoming ever more pervasive, I propose
that we begin collecting good "FUD Fighters" that we can share easily with
family and friends, especially when they ask for our help.
I define a good "FUD Fighter" as an article or video that takes less than
10 minutes to read/watch and is free from a lot of technical jargon.
When you find one, please put FUD Fighter in the subject line and share it
with the group.
I'll go first. Here is one I came across just today:
https://blog.ucsusa.org/dave-reichmuth/three-truths-about-electric-vehicles
And, yes, I'll be sharing that article with my brother :-)
Thanks!
Marty
