Hi All, As preparation for a FWD tadpole, we did some traction/stability study on gravel, comparing FWD bike, FWD delta trike, and FWD quad. YouTube videos are up for group observations. Guinea Pig bike: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEsGiGk6Yhg The longer wheelbase giving more traction (~60%) to front wheel seems to help with slipper surface (gravel), compared to short wheelbase. Lower seat height also eases the fall. The low pivot angle (46deg) is suspect for sudden lost of control that also seems to depend on the pedal position at the moment of traction loss. Rear wheel slide seems to trigger front wheel flop also... Flintstones trike: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyrIZR9qZ-w This turns out to be blast to ride on slippery surface. There is some swirling at the front but Low COG and wide track feel somewhat stable/reassuring, and fun... Forgot to do high speed test :) Bango quad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vlVgoLueb0 Very stable during traction loss, almost boring compared to the trike. Will try higher speed next time... Some more observations on steering dynamics, as we found early on that the vehicle can be turned mostly by the outer wheel. The inner wheel only requires a smaller angle to minimize tire scrub, versus a larger turning angle suggested by the Ackerman geometry. This behavior may be explained by the pivot rise effect counteracting the weight shifting outward (outer pivot needs to be higher). Tire scrub is pleasant lessened on slippery surface... Cheers, Vi