Sorry about the confusion. Putting the paper idea into words wasn't the best idea. Thanks for helping me out George! I made a quick video to show what I meant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d39GH237MME I think a simple model is quite helpfull when you consider to build a Python. Also, understanding what is going on makes it easier to make little adjustments to your bike later on. Try the paper thing and check it yourself. It's not only about steering but also about leaning. With the piece of paper in your hands, you can just check what happens when you -for example- steer and then lean into a corner. Does the CoG go up because you lean? Even more important might be: if you are leaning into a corner and need to steer more... Does the CoG go up or down? If it goes up, you will need to apply more force to steer. If it goes down, you need less force. And except for the down or up direction of the CoG, there's also the left and right of course... ;-p Patrick > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:18:33 -0700 > From: mpower.lists@xxxxxxxxxxxx > To: python@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [python] Re: frame geometry and pivot angle > > I ran the paper example and was not sure I could trust the conclusion. > > I figure I'll play it safe and make sure my angle is consistent with > other successful pythons. > ============================================================ > > This is the Python Mailinglist > > //www.freelists.org/list/python > > Listmaster: Jurgen Mages jmages@xxxxxx > > To unsubscribe send an empty mail to > python-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field. > > ============================================================ >